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Which brings us back to your inability to read / understand simple posts...

This'll be the 6th time now, hopefully it'll eventually sink in:

-I said you could only hit 350bhp NA with specific mods

-I said his Zed doesn't have 350bhp.

 

I wasn't trying to start an argument with Zippy, was just adding a comment about the possibilities.

 

Are you saying that people who write things on the internet don't have the same, if not more experience? A shop could spool lies to you, the internet has a vast array of information that you can weigh up and make your own conclusions from. You just have to be smart enough to take advantage of it.

 

The simple fact that you've had to resort to attacking me rather than composing a respectable counter says enough.

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Theres no way from what ive read on VQ35s for them to make 350BHP from stock with just the usual supporting mods. Big loud cams, fueling, injection, porting, polishing, skimming, timing and a whole shop of other parts then maybe, just maybe. But you're talking about upping compression, a serious N/A build. And absolutely thousands of pounds for when as coldel says, put on either a turbo or supercharger and youll make more for less.

 

The uprev isnt just about unlocking modifications, its about improving the entire feel of the engine and how it drives. This really frustrates when people make outlandish claims and people believe them!

 

Where exactly did I "attack" you specifically in my original post? Where? Did it not perhaps cross your mind before you replied with a smartarse comment that I was referring to the outlandish comment on the listing? A comment that has arisen because what once was a lovely car is doing the rounds for certain dodgy reasons?

 

Or is it somewhat more accurate to say that you've been called out on so many things lately, the blowing exhuast, the plastidip, something about a moderator that you're instantly hostile to anyone who says different?

 

As ive said to you before, if you just stop arguing for 5 minutes then maybe common sense would prevail.

 

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Where exactly did I say you attacked me in your OP? I said you resorted to attacking.

 

The rest of your post was targeted at me, so it would make sense that comment was. If it wasn't then 1) it should have been made clearer and 2) you could have said so, but instead you decided to attack me.

 

I haven't been hostile once. I just defend myself and my points (albeit with a healthy dose of sarcasm).

 

However, I think you'll find I called people out on the blowing exhaust, not the other way round. Get over it.

 

As for plastidip, I'm not sure what you're referring to. Nobody has called me out on it afaik, only had praise.

 

The "something about a moderator", if you're referring to what I think you're referring to, was a non-starter, just a misunderstanding / prejudice.

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I think partly, where this is coming from is that your recent posts did sound a little condescending even if not meant that way. I've done enough to my car to know what works and what doesn't etc etc, most of us that have been on here a while know that a zed 'could' make these gains but at the cost of an awful lot of money which was obviously not the case in Martins cars case, it was just a little off topic i guess.

 

Ps: Still awaiting a reply!

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We all know he doesn't have 350hp, just saying that there's multiple people out there with 300rwhp NA, which equates to over 350hp at the crank.

 

May be I am out of touch, but I am struggling to recall a 350z that started out (OEM) with either 276hp or 296hp at the fly that without FI has made 350hp with bolt-on parts and an uprev at the crank with graphs to prove?

 

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May be I am out of touch, but I am struggling to recall a 350z that started out (OEM) with either 276hp or 296hp at the fly that without FI has made 350hp with bolt-on parts and an uprev at the crank with graphs to prove?

Requires internals, not just bolt-ons, but apart from that, any of these should meet your criteria

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I think partly, where this is coming from is that your recent posts did sound a little condescending even if not meant that way. I've done enough to my car to know what works and what doesn't etc etc, most of us that have been on here a while know that a zed 'could' make these gains but at the cost of an awful lot of money which was obviously not the case in Martins cars case, it was just a little off topic i guess.

Maybe off-topic, but just thought it was interesting. Evidently, even if people knew it might be possible, they didn't know it had been done before. :shrug:

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May be I am out of touch, but I am struggling to recall a 350z that started out (OEM) with either 276hp or 296hp at the fly that without FI has made 350hp with bolt-on parts and an uprev at the crank with graphs to prove?

Requires internals, not just bolt-ons, but apart from that, any of these should meet your criteria

 

All those examples (including the one on this forum) are in America. It is accepted knowledge that US dyno's over read significantly.

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All those examples (including the one on this forum) are in America. It is accepted knowledge that US dyno's over read significantly.

How much is 'significantly'? (rough %)

 

One of them had 323whp which would be well over 350bhp.

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I did some online research on U.K. versus U.S.

 

Look, this guy says 85% less in the U.K.

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/dyno-board/420414-usa-bhp-versus-uk-bhp.html

 

 

This chap says 70% less in the U.K.

http://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/dyno-figures-us-vs-uk-3254079/

 

 

This fella has a less technical position.

"Not only do Americans love to bullsh1t - they love to lap up the bullsh1t aswell, creating a self perpetuating bullsh1t cycle. Anyone that doesn't bullsh1t gets sidelined for not producing enough power."

http://sxoc.com/vbb/archive/index.php/t-203464.html

 

Got my links, so you know...

 

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I did some online research on U.K. versus U.S.

 

Look, this guy says 85% less in the U.K.

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/dyno-board/420414-usa-bhp-versus-uk-bhp.html

 

 

This chap says 70% less in the U.K.

http://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/dyno-figures-us-vs-uk-3254079/

 

 

This fella has a less technical position.

"Not only do Americans love to bullsh1t - they love to lap up the bullsh1t aswell, creating a self perpetuating bullsh1t cycle. Anyone that doesn't bullsh1t gets sidelined for not producing enough power."

http://sxoc.com/vbb/archive/index.php/t-203464.html

 

Got my links, so you know...

Those numbers were posed as questions. not stated as answers. The replies gave some potential reasoning, but the general consensus was that it's nowhere near that drastic.

 

Basically your sources countered your points...

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I did some online research on U.K. versus U.S.

 

Look, this guy says 85% less in the U.K.

http://www.fordmuscleforums.com/dyno-board/420414-usa-bhp-versus-uk-bhp.html

 

 

This chap says 70% less in the U.K.

http://honda-tech.com/forums/forced-induction-16/dyno-figures-us-vs-uk-3254079/

 

 

This fella has a less technical position.

"Not only do Americans love to bullsh1t - they love to lap up the bullsh1t aswell, creating a self perpetuating bullsh1t cycle. Anyone that doesn't bullsh1t gets sidelined for not producing enough power."

http://sxoc.com/vbb/archive/index.php/t-203464.html

 

Got my links, so you know...

Those numbers were posed as questions. not stated as answers. The replies gave some potential reasoning, but the general consensus was that it's nowhere near that drastic.

 

Basically your sources countered your points...

 

Basically you've totally misunderstood bantz.

 

Sorry precious.

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I did some online research on U.K. versus U.S.

 

Look, this guy says 85% less in the U.K.

http://www.fordmuscl...sus-uk-bhp.html

 

 

This chap says 70% less in the U.K.

http://honda-tech.co...-vs-uk-3254079/

 

 

This fella has a less technical position.

"Not only do Americans love to bullsh1t - they love to lap up the bullsh1t aswell, creating a self perpetuating bullsh1t cycle. Anyone that doesn't bullsh1t gets sidelined for not producing enough power."

http://sxoc.com/vbb/...p/t-203464.html

 

Got my links, so you know...

lol bleedin' Americano's!!
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To bring things slightly back on topic, can I just say how beautiful Payco's Z was (is?), and how Payco was the man who inspired me to get an Ark Grip. The gentleman even recorded a few sound clips of it for me as I was struggling to decide between it and the invidia gemini.

 

For that, Payco forever has a place in my heart. :teeth:

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To bring things slightly back on topic, can I just say how beautiful Payco's Z was (is?), and how Payco was the man who inspired me to get an Ark Grip. The gentleman even recorded a few sound clips of it for me as I was struggling to decide between it and the invidia gemini.

 

For that, Payco forever has a place in my heart. :teeth:

I can see why he's a bit pi**ed. I would be too. When you spend the time and effort like he did most want to see the car go to a good home. Shame this hasnt been the case.
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Thing is, I can quote and reference a multitude of reputable sources to backup my points. You can disagree with me all you want, but by doing so you are also disagreeing with a whole bunch of people that I got that information from.

 

You read on the interweb some knowledgeable/reputable people said it was ok to spray badges in situ on the car, how did that work out for?

 

Knowledge is power, experience is everything :)

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2 mins of Googling for reference:

 

http://mybuildgarage...-323-whp-build/

 

http://www.350z-uk.c...details-inside/

 

http://www.onpointdy...a-happy-300whp/

 

http://www.superstre...e-engine-build/

 

2nd link says there was 3 NA Zeds over 300WHP, and that was in 2007...

 

The first two are the same car, the third is a shop trying to promote themselves (299 is very suss to me, +2 degrees C on the ambient temps perhaps?) and the 4th one is Sasha Anis who has done more to his car than probably all of this forum put together. As Lexx pointed out, these are all in the US as well and USBHP isnt the same as UKBHP.

 

This is where real life experience weighs in, anyone who has been around a bit knows that tuners and shops lie and so do US dynos. Until Ive seen an NA 350hp on a reputable UK dyno Im keepig a healthy pinch of salt to hand.

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I think the general consensus is that you can make a dyno read almost anything you like if you know how to work one. All of the adjustments needed to make the result accurate can be tweaked to skew the results too.

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For the record my engine was bog standard when sold.Guy at work messaged the current owner and asked for confirmation of how many owners.The guy now selling is the sixth registered keeper.I was the second when I sold it in Jan.

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In the states you can go on to carfax and see how many times a car has been sold and the dates of each sale as part of the checks which are similar to our HPI checks. Personally I think that would be great over here too, the DVLA must know the dates.

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