LRF4N Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 As the definitive what?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 What about the actual beetle? Not everyone's cup of tea, but gotta be a definitive something. It's the definitive people's car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 That's what I was thinking. Does it still enjoy longest production of any vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Yes, they are still making them brand new in india. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Current Focus RS will be forgotten reasonably quickly, certainly not going to be a classic or the definitive anything imho. It might be the quickest hatch, but so what? Next year the new Golf will come out which will be even quicker. I'd say the Clio 182 Trophy has a great shout of definitive hot hatch too, much more so than any Focus. Still think the Golf GTi mk2 nicks it though. It's not about being the fastest. Think of it more as showing something to an alien and he has to understand that's exactly what you mean. I used the 911 as definitive sports coupe as that's what every single competitor would love to have, something that defies age and always drives spectacularly whilst having a USP and room for the kids. Doesn't matter what 911, just compare it through the ages. Hot hatch was an invention of the '80s really, and it's a car that carries the family at a brisk pace with perfect controls and steering feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Current Focus RS will be forgotten reasonably quickly, certainly not going to be a classic or the definitive anything imho. It might be the quickest hatch, but so what? Next year the new Golf will come out which will be even quicker. I'd say the Clio 182 Trophy has a great shout of definitive hot hatch too, much more so than any Focus. Still think the Golf GTi mk2 nicks it though. It's not about being the fastest. Think of it more as showing something to an alien and he has to understand that's exactly what you mean. I used the 911 as definitive sports coupe as that's what every single competitor would love to have, something that defies age and always drives spectacularly whilst having a USP and room for the kids. Doesn't matter what 911, just compare it through the ages. Hot hatch was an invention of the '80s really, and it's a car that carries the family at a brisk pace with perfect controls and steering feel. Yep surely the definitive hot hatch is the Golf GTi , love them or hate them they define the Hot Hatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Mini Range Rover Miura Golf gti Audio quattro 911 Elan E type Edited March 21, 2017 by Zeezeebaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 S1 Land Rover? Still Better off road today than most off roaders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Are we mixing up 'definitive' with 'defining' though? The Golf GTi defined the hot hatch, but is it currently the definitive hot hatch? Definitive by its definition is effectively a final solution that ticks every single box, as the hot hatch will always be evolving what is definitive? The mk1 Golf GTi was definitive, now its the Focus RS, next will be... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Mini Range Rover Miura Golf gti Audio quattro 911 Elan E type You're now banned from playing until you understand the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 Are we mixing up 'definitive' with 'defining' though? The Golf GTi defined the hot hatch, but is it currently the definitive hot hatch? Definitive by its definition is effectively a final solution that ticks every single box, as the hot hatch will always be evolving what is definitive? The mk1 Golf GTi was definitive, now its the Focus RS, next will be... I don't think so. The definitive thing can be new, it can be old, but because of what it did/is it will always be that. P1 for example is arguably the definitive hypercar because of the torque fill, that will never change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Clio V6 Definitive absolutely mental production car that snuck past accountants when they were ogling something "practical". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Are we mixing up 'definitive' with 'defining' though? The Golf GTi defined the hot hatch, but is it currently the definitive hot hatch? Definitive by its definition is effectively a final solution that ticks every single box, as the hot hatch will always be evolving what is definitive? The mk1 Golf GTi was definitive, now its the Focus RS, next will be... I don't think so. The definitive thing can be new, it can be old, but because of what it did/is it will always be that. P1 for example is arguably the definitive hypercar because of the torque fill, that will never change. But you have to define a hypercar to decide if a car is definitive, what are the factors that define a hypercar. Then, if the P1 fulfills ALL those factors does it become definitive. However if another car fulfills it also, then you do not have the definitive list of factors that define what definitive is. Unless of course two cars could be definitive by meeting the criteria of all the factors that define definitive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 It's just a bit of fun mate, don't overthink it But I'm not having that the FRSmk3 is the definitive hot hatch. Nope, never. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Mini definitive exercise in fwd packaging Range Rover definitive 4x4 luxury crossover Miura definitive design philosophy Golf gti definitive fuel injected hatch Audio quattro definitive rally gamechanger 911 definitive affordable supercar performance Elan definitive template for light weight fun E type definitive style and pace You're now banned from playing until you understand the rules. Haha ok fixed IMO Edited March 21, 2017 by Zeezeebaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It's just a bit of fun mate, don't overthink it But I'm not having that the FRSmk3 is the definitive hot hatch. Nope, never. I know, was just messing with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Difficult to formulate a definitive opinion on newer cars until they age a bit and one never knows how definitive a successor might be in comparison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 918 > P1 imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Are we mixing up 'definitive' with 'defining' though? The Golf GTi defined the hot hatch, but is it currently the definitive hot hatch? Definitive by its definition is effectively a final solution that ticks every single box, as the hot hatch will always be evolving what is definitive? The mk1 Golf GTi was definitive, now its the Focus RS, next will be... Why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRF4N Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Definitive 4 door coupe will be the CLS All brands are now on the bandwagon but that doesn't make them pretty. Most and up with the same profile as a typical mondeo/insignia taxi X6 started the coupe/SUV crossover trend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBorehamUK Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Definitive car for 'Meddling kids' - The mystery machine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) Are we mixing up 'definitive' with 'defining' though? The Golf GTi defined the hot hatch, but is it currently the definitive hot hatch? Definitive by its definition is effectively a final solution that ticks every single box, as the hot hatch will always be evolving what is definitive? The mk1 Golf GTi was definitive, now its the Focus RS, next will be... I don't think so. The definitive thing can be new, it can be old, but because of what it did/is it will always be that. P1 for example is arguably the definitive hypercar because of the torque fill, that will never change. But you have to define a hypercar to decide if a car is definitive, what are the factors that define a hypercar. Then, if the P1 fulfills ALL those factors does it become definitive. However if another car fulfills it also, then you do not have the definitive list of factors that define what definitive is. Unless of course two cars could be definitive by meeting the criteria of all the factors that define definitive... Definitive hypercar is the Carrera GT. They only got softer and safer from there on. The GT is the most hardcore hypercar ever, imo and therefore defines the genre. some of todays pig-heavy hyper cars are not worthy of the moniker. Alternatively, you could say the definitive was the Lamborghini Diablo, a concept perfected in the Carrera GT. Edited March 21, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 ^^^ You have some funny ideas , Focus and Carrera GT The original hyper car was the MaClaren F1 and Golf Gti was the definitive hot hatch, they were the first and thats what everyone tried to better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 And having just seen the last reply, this isnt about what "you" think, its about icons, game changers, seminal cars, decisions that people simply cant argue with. An F type is pretty for sure, but ask 100 people which is prettier and I bet 99 will go with the XKE, even Enzo himself did. This isnt that hard of a concept is it? Think of it like reverse internet pointless, the more people say the same answer the more likely it is the actual definitive "x". So the Carrera GT is not the definitive hypercar, the McLaren F1 was the first and the La Ferrari and P1 are more Hypercar than the Porsche is, the FRS isnt even close to a Golf GTi or Pug 205 GTi. aClio V6 could be the definitive mid engined hatchback silhouette made by Renault I suppose ........? More recent examples include the Tesla and Prius, no denying those one for me ........... some more: Trackday special 911 GT3RS People carrier Renault Espace Pikey driftcar BMW E36 Rotary car Mazda RX7 Car made of wood Morgan (any) Unmarked police car off The Bill Vauxhall Cavalier/Vectra with no hubcaps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Crashing into stuff / running into crowds: Mustang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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