The Bounty Bar Kid Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Imo, it's not a proper sports car if it comes in a diesel version, or generally speaking in various engine sizes (I can currently only think of the Cayman/boxster as exceptions to this rule) 911's vary slightly across the models too, 991 ranges from 3.4 up to 4.0 for the RS As do the Fairlady Z's. 3.5l for the standard, 3.8l for the RS 3.8RS was a one off limited run. Doesn't count. Okay so I may be wrong with some multi engine cars but none of those have diesel versions. All full on throaty petrol versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Don't a few Maserati cars have diesel engines?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-89 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Don't a few Maserati cars have diesel engines?? I don't think they do for the proper sports cars (the granturismo and the convertible one...) they do for their less sporty models... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 The saloons, yes. 6 series too has diesel and petrol lumps, although that's more sports GT than outright sports car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Maserati Ghibli is a diesel and a 3.0L V6. Quattroporte is a diesel and 3.0L V6. Edited January 4, 2016 by Linus27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Should we mention hydrids or do they not count either as sports car? Imo, it's not a proper sports car if it comes in a diesel version, or generally speaking in various engine sizes (I can currently only think of the Cayman/boxster as exceptions to this rule) 911's vary slightly across the models too, 991 ranges from 3.4 up to 4.0 for the RS As do the Fairlady Z's. 3.5l for the standard, 3.8l for the RS 3.8RS was a one off limited run. Doesn't count. Okay so I may be wrong with some multi engine cars but none of those have diesel versions. All full on throaty petrol versions. Should we mention hybrid's or do they not count as sports cars either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) So a 420hp car is apparently gay, as is Maserati for putting diesels in their cars. I suppose this video just supports that too .......... Maybe it could be that BBK is so wide of the mark its unreal? Edited January 4, 2016 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-G- Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Didn't they plan an R8 diesel? Or am I imagining that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 So a 420hp car is apparently gay, as is Maserati for putting diesels in their cars. I suppose this video just supports that too .......... Maybe it could be that BBK is so wide of the mark its unreal? Doesn't count, it's got 4WD. So in reality that's just a race between two pseudo sports cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Imo, it's not a proper sports car if it comes in a diesel version, or generally speaking in various engine sizes (I can currently only think of the Cayman/boxster as exceptions to this rule) 911's vary slightly across the models too, 991 ranges from 3.4 up to 4.0 for the RS As do the Fairlady Z's. 3.5l for the standard, 3.8l for the RS 3.8RS was a one off limited run. Doesn't count. Okay so I may be wrong with some multi engine cars but none of those have diesel versions. All full on throaty petrol versions. Diesel Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I don't know why people get excited about turbo 4wd cars - we had 400bhp scoobies in 1995, and for a lot less than the £45k Audi wanted for one of these. Still a rare sight on the roads along with the A45 AMG which does the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I don't know why people get excited about turbo 4wd cars - we had 400bhp scoobies in 1995, and for a lot less than the £45k Audi wanted for one of these. Still a rare sight on the roads along with the A45 AMG which does the same thing. Audi has become quite the "brand" to have these days and sure the build quality/trim levels etc are pretty good, certainly better than Subarus, but your right, nothing special about 400hp 4 wheel drive in itself. I was pretty shocked when the Noble M600 came out and it was £200k, i thought the same then, a 600hp+ rwd car with steel brakes and a manual box, hardly ground breaking, but it seemed to get rave reviews so i was obviously in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 I don't know why people get excited about turbo 4wd cars - we had 400bhp scoobies in 1995, and for a lot less than the £45k Audi wanted for one of these. Still a rare sight on the roads along with the A45 AMG which does the same thing. Audi has become quite the "brand" to have these days and sure the build quality/trim levels etc are pretty good, certainly better than Subarus, but your right, nothing special about 400hp 4 wheel drive in itself. I was pretty shocked when the Noble M600 came out and it was £200k, i thought the same then, a 600hp+ rwd car with steel brakes and a manual box, hardly ground breaking, but it seemed to get rave reviews so i was obviously in the minority. The excitement about 4WD 400bhp cars is probably to do with the fact that down most roads they're quicker than anything else. That and in terms of pub bragging rights they're fairly high up the pecking order. I think the Noble was exciting precisely because of the lack of gizmos - it was a good old-fashioned supercar. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a lot harder to drive well than a P1 or 458. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Absolutely will be harder to drive fast, but i never said it wasnt exciting and as per DynamicT post, a big hp, rwd car with steel brakes/no abs and manual box is nothing new, but a 200k asking price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Sure, there's a strong argument that it's overpriced, but then objectively justifying the price of any car over 50k or so is probably a fruitless task. At the end of the day, a car is worth as much as people are willing to pay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 For sure, just relating to dt post and sharing a similar view point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Imo, it's not a proper sports car if it comes in a diesel version, or generally speaking in various engine sizes (I can currently only think of the Cayman/boxster as exceptions to this rule) 911's vary slightly across the models too, 991 ranges from 3.4 up to 4.0 for the RS As do the Fairlady Z's. 3.5l for the standard, 3.8l for the RS 3.8RS was a one off limited run. Doesn't count. Okay so I may be wrong with some multi engine cars but none of those have diesel versions. All full on throaty petrol versions. Diesel Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Imo, it's not a proper sports car if it comes in a diesel version, or generally speaking in various engine sizes (I can currently only think of the Cayman/boxster as exceptions to this rule) 911's vary slightly across the models too, 991 ranges from 3.4 up to 4.0 for the RS As do the Fairlady Z's. 3.5l for the standard, 3.8l for the RS 3.8RS was a one off limited run. Doesn't count. Okay so I may be wrong with some multi engine cars but none of those have diesel versions. All full on throaty petrol versions. Diesel Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Lol. Actually I might add that I think it's a jointly developed diesel with......der ner ner ner!!!! Ferarri!!!! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm probably the biggest Audi hater out there but I would rather a TT RS as a courtesy car than a one litre Corsa TBH if I had 50k to spend on a car (which I dont)it wouldn't be a TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I don't know why people get excited about turbo 4wd cars - we had 400bhp scoobies in 1995, and for a lot less than the £45k Audi wanted for one of these. Still a rare sight on the roads along with the A45 AMG which does the same thing. Having had 2 turbo Scoobies and the now the A45 the OEM power outputs are nothing near those figures. Even the P1 Scooby in OEM form was just 276bhp whilst the A45, even in the latest facelift form is 381 bhp so you are talking about significantly modified models there. I can certainly vouch that the A45's performance, and grip, in OEM form (mine is 354bhp) is in a different league to the Scoobies in OEM form http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/subaru/impreza/saloon-1993/ http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/mercedes-benz/mercedes-a45-amg-muscles-up-to-381bhp-in-2016-a-class-facelift/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What's an OEM Scooby lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linus27 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What's an OEM Scooby lol? HAHA even my Scooby which is pretty OEM has an aftermarket Cosworth air filter, Haywood and Scott decat and exhaust and Eibach springs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Our old Blobeye was stock! Assuming you don't include the PPP of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxrob Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 A friend of mine has one of these Granted its fecking quick (as a passenger, wont let me drive it) and ticks all the right boxes for him However, a quick pole in the pub and out of 8 of us, 6 preferred my zed Say no more Rob 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-G- Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 (edited) A friend of mine has one of these Granted its fecking quick (as a passenger, wont let me drive it) and ticks all the right boxes for him However, a quick pole in the pub and out of 8 of us, 6 preferred my zed Say no more Rob You've probably let them drive your Z before ;-) Edited January 8, 2016 by -G- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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