gangzoom Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Since I know how people here love to ‘debate’ certain topics I thought I share this extract written by @Ted, the creator of PistonHeads, take one guess at what car he had just driven?? The rest you can read for yourselves “One sedate lap of the paddock at Castle Combe had delivered a thunderbolt. Mind blown, views altered. The gulf between new and old is bigger than I appreciated. A chasm will open up shortly between the silent raiders and the noisy old boys. Our current rides are automotive steam trains. Whilst beautiful, clever and at the top of their game - it's now the wrong game.†http://www.blatters.com/mag/the-end-is-nigh/55c9cb540d4369a64a8b464b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Can we not move this to one of the other pro-Tesla threads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 This is the Future of Formula racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Here we go again, another thread -.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Our current rides are automotive steam trains. Whilst beautiful, clever and at the top of their game - it's now the wrong game.†Steam train will always pull a bigger crowd than its electric counterparts, and Steam trains might not be a thing of the past but a thing of the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Can we not move this to one of the other pro-Tesla threads? Can we just... not (at all), instead? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 REALLY?!? I say, if the pistonheads man says it, it must be true. I also say that Clarkson says stuff and that's all equally true, so surely that brings this to its natural conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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docwra Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Sadly a good friend of mine was converted to the darkside this week when he had a Tesla on test. My friends tend to be a bit less interested in range and stuff though: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugg90 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well I don't know about the rest of the world but I much prefer steam trains to electric ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINKJ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) was it this? Edited August 12, 2015 by WINKJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 was it this? Hmmm nice reference. Wipeout 1 or 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINKJ Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 was it this? Hmmm nice reference. Wipeout 1 or 2? I wasn't that specific - BIG game for back in the day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 To be fair, he isn't slating petrol driven cars, just that electric ones are now well on par in terms of performance (albeit expensive ones) - the article does nod towards the fact that the petrol cars are much more theatrical and that we should make the most of them whilst we can - lets face it, the world seems intent on killing off ICE cars for electric/public transport - funnily enough was chatting with my neighbour the other day as he is an MD of a clean energy firm and I agreed most people that don't give a jot about how they get from A-B will buy slow cheaper electric cars but those who drive for fun will certainly garage up those old ICE cars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I drove 4k miles round Europe crossing 10 countries and saw at least 25 Teslas..... only saw 3 350s.... think I will stick with my out dated exclusivity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Me too buddy, however times change and the day may come for a fuel/electric option on purchase, Hopefully only a select few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. i think 330 Mile range is more than acceptable its the charging time even 30 minutes from tesla super charger is to much Edited August 13, 2015 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. i think 330 Mile range is more than acceptable its the charging time even 30 minutes from tesla super charger is to much My view is that a person that can afford a 90k car is probably doing quite well for themselves. So say they are a sales account manager at an IT firm. They need to drive to a customer site for a business meeting, if they live in Berkshire they cannot drive further North than Nottingham if they want to come back the same day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) The process of running a £250/month All-In cost ( I mean my total transport costs including everything you can think of ) electric car as my main commuter has had the side effect of leaving me rather alot more disposable income than before. Looking at the numbers last night I could easily afford to buy a S2 Exige right now and to keep it for the occasional use whilst using the Leaf as my day-day commuter car. Infact doing so work certainly work out much cheaper than buying a £50K+ Tesla which depreciates as you would expect any £50K+ car to do, whilst the Exige will hold its price much nicer. But my wife would rather see me spend £50K on a deprecating Tesla and the hassle of trying to hide a Exige in the garage just isn't worth it, the noise will most certainly give it away Excluding the luxury of been able to run one car for daily use and one for occasional use, than all electric is the only option I can see open to me (you guys have more understanding partners on the car front ). Some family friends are the process of moving house, and yesterday we started looking at our next house, the budget all of sudden was some 15% more than what we had planned on before....So actually if nothing else, I need to make sure the 'T-fund' gets spent on a car and doesn't end up been turned into a 'Granite worktop/central island/walk-in wardrobe' fund . Edited August 13, 2015 by gangzoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's a good job they give them away free so you can save all that monthly expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 (edited) Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. The cheapest £50K version is RWD with 315bhp, 5.5 second to 60, so hardly 'slow'. It comes with 12 point memory seats, free for life autoupdate via built in LTE, keyless entry, auto xenon headlights, lane departure warning, folding mirrors, parking sensors/reversing camera....Essentially everything you expect from a luxury saloon. The problems is options crep - for 'just' £13K more you get 417bhp, AWD, and 4.2 60 time.....and than 'just' another £17K gets you the crazy P85D. I mean if your going to spend £50K+ on a car, you might as well get the best version you can afford Edited August 13, 2015 by gangzoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. The cheapest £50K version is RWD with 315bhp, 5.5 second to 60, so hardly 'slow'. It comes with 12 point memory seats, free for life autoupdate via built in LTE, keyless entry, auto xenon headlights, lane departure warning, folding mirrors, parking sensors/reversing camera....Essentially everything you expect from a luxury saloon. The problems is options crep - for 'just' £13K more you get 417bhp, AWD, and 4.2 60 time.....and than 'just' another £17K gets you the crazy P85D. I mean if your going to spend £50K+ on a car, you might as well get the best version you can afford I am not saying its not worth X but the technology hasn't come far enough forward yet. I am sure it will soon though. The Tesla works for me but no offense but your leaf doesn't. I couldn't drive a boring car 5 days a week just so I could have a fun car on the weekends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thing is they are still 90k for the fast one and 330 miles of range isn't quite enough yet. Amazing car but I wouldn't want to drop almost 6 figures on one and worry about running out of juice. i think 330 Mile range is more than acceptable its the charging time even 30 minutes from tesla super charger is to much My view is that a person that can afford a 90k car is probably doing quite well for themselves. So say they are a sales account manager at an IT firm. They need to drive to a customer site for a business meeting, if they live in Berkshire they cannot drive further North than Nottingham if they want to come back the same day. i get what your saying but, what do you do when your 370z runs out of fuel, you refill it so what do you do when your electric car runs out of fuel you re fill it. The issue is re charge times i mean i might be wrong but im sure sales account manager at an IT firm is allowed to refill his car on a trip or half way to see a customer untill that car can be recharged in 10 minutes or less and all service stations on the road network it wont be mainstream but as in other threads the technology is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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