Ekona Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Because you turned slightly, and because you have mismatched tyres I suspect that the front end had more grip than the back which was compounded by you braking. If you'd had matching tyres you'd either have had the same grip, or much lower grip levels which you'd have been wiser to. Also, you were going too fast for the conditions. That's as big a reason as the tyres *EDIT* Yeah, what Grundy said. Edited May 6, 2015 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Had mismatched tyres on the MX-5 although it is a much less powerful and much lighter car you could definitely feel it in the corners, especially with no TC etc. never bothered to change them as it was only really a commuter car for my missus Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts743 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The mind boggles how people can buy a performance vehicle and then shove any old rubbish tyres on - they're only the thing that connects said vehicle to the road! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davedutch Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So you don't like your missus then !!! When I first got my z it had rubbish tyres, straight on at roundabouts if it was even damp etc. I changed tyres and car handles so much better even in pouring rain there is more confidance in the grip. Taking this slightly off topic but Ekona the tyre guru, why do tyre centres now recommend new tyres on the rear rather than the driven wheels (fwd cars) it always made sense to me to have the best tyres on the driven wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) My god I live for threads like this now ...having been in some from a while back haha. Its all the above, driving too fast when ...and I will say when... stuff is near you (if you wanna give it a punt, make sure nothings there to stop you and drive to conditions...and just don't be too silly lol), tyres...good god yes the tyres change them and also...I dunno if this has been noted or asked or I've missed it... rear wheel experience?... but I'm gonna guess its the tyres and the fact you were too near stuff to be going fast We all love a good punt (except ekona lol) but be careful. He is right though, just 'hooking' it into a corner can slingshot you out at safe speed but feels great when done right ....providing you got some decent rubber Edited May 6, 2015 by AMT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Taking this slightly off topic but Ekona the tyre guru, why do tyre centres now recommend new tyres on the rear rather than the driven wheels (fwd cars) it always made sense to me to have the best tyres on the driven wheels. Coz oversteer is more likely to kill you than understeer as its considered easier to control. If you have more grip at the back than the front you are much less likely to oversteer and you are more likely to not die as a result Edited May 6, 2015 by docwra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisday1990 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Ok i'll take advice given I won't ask which are recommended as I've already read someone getting the treatment for that question. I'll do some research People slate the OEM Tyres but the OEMs on the HR are good, go for Bridgestone RE050A they last for ever and they can be fitted for £130.00 each, i have them on my car and i had ditch finders before and had a similar thing happen at slow speed... the reason why you should go for the RE050A is the car has been designed around these tyres and the tyre wall suits the weight of the car and the ditch finders are @*!# get them off ASAP or just dont drive the car in the wet... yes you might say i drive like a preist but hey it jut takes one time some cocker pulls out and your car is screwed. Also with traction control off the end does not move an inch unless your driving like a twit like I usto before I calmed down. I have posted a link showing what crap tyres can cost you. Edited May 6, 2015 by chrisday1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Taking this slightly off topic but Ekona the tyre guru, why do tyre centres now recommend new tyres on the rear rather than the driven wheels (fwd cars) it always made sense to me to have the best tyres on the driven wheels. Coz oversteer is more likely to kill you than understeer as its considered easier to control. If you have more grip at the back than the front you are much less likely to oversteer and you are more likely to not die as a result ^^^This. Tyre centres are pussies. I always put new tyres on the driven wheels on FWD cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigess Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Chrisday Ekona as you have probably read reckons on the MPSS but as you say the Nissan was designed around the bridgestone. Confused .com. I guess the real issue is though either of them is better than what I have on at the moment.Will be sorting it out tomorrow. I'm now thinking that the cheap tyres more than likely have softer walls and this and the speed and slight braking and turning all at the same time caused the car to wallow. Will report back with the results. Thanks again for all the comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The Zed wasn't designed around Bridgestones. There's not a huge amount of difference between a DE and a HR 350Z, yet somehow Nissan changed from 040 to 050A tyres. In a marvellous piece of coincidence, they were the tyres at the time that Bridgestone wanted to promote... It's all down to which manufacturer will pay the most to have their tyres on a car. Michelin spend a fortune getting N rated status for the Porsche tyres, but the difference between an N rated 050A and a regular 050A is zero in the real world. I ran both, couldn't feel a difference at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigess Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Well all booked up for this afternoon. MPSS going on and wheel alignment price not too bad £137 fronts £140 rear fitted and wheel alignment thrown in. The bloke who is doing the fitting at kwik fit Bexhill has actually got a Zed so all good. I don't do a whole lot of miles so should last a while. So I figured its not something i'm going to have to do every week and I want to feel safe after what happened. Edited May 7, 2015 by nigess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 *awaits another "Kwik Fit destroyed my wheels" thread*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigess Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 You just can't win on here doesn't anybody have anything good to say everything is doom and gloom i'm just glad i'm not suicidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 there is a lot jokes here about various historical threads, it's all said in good humour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy_Baton Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yeah... but Kwick Fit??? I'm going for new wheels and tires at some point this summer. I've heard DTS in Worthing is the place to go, might be a bit far for you though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 DTS are good, they put the tyres on my Cosmis wheels and let me watch while they did it to make sure they didn't get damaged. The price is a little spicy but worth it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 You just can't win on here doesn't anybody have anything good to say everything is doom and gloom i'm just glad i'm not suicidal We're not all Doom and gloom, but you've totally dug your self in a hole Bought a CAT D because it was cheap/bargain Put Cheap tyres on Now going to cheapest garage to get new tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeycuz Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Trouble is it has made me a bit nervous now it was quite traumatic but just pleased that I managed to pull out of it before it let go completely. Don't be nervous, That's what condoms are for On a serious note, after reading through this and through the other tyre posts, il be ordering some mpss tyres at the end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 You just can't win on here doesn't anybody have anything good to say everything is doom and gloom i'm just glad i'm not suicidal You seem to have missed that a fair few people dont really share the "anything over 70mph is suicide" attitude, but frankly you have no excuse if youre using tyres you havent ever heard of. As for Kwik Fit, if you find anyone anywhere with a good word to say about them Ill give you a tenner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts743 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 As for Kwik Fit, if you find anyone anywhere with a good word to say about them Ill give you a tenner My mate is the manager of my local and will fit my own tyres and align the car on a Hunter machine for a couple of quid, and do it all properly.... tenner to nigess please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Thats your mate, not Kwik Fit in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts743 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Thats your mate, not Kwik Fit in general Ah yes, previous experience includes a Kwik Fit driving my MR2 into a wall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 They failed to do up the nuts on two of my wheels once, the front wheel was held on by one finger tight nut only. They also tried to hit my missus up for new brake pads when we had changed them less than 6 weeks previously, and thats just my experiences ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigess Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Well ok I had the tyres fitted. Three separate people checked the wheel nuts. Alignment was done on machine and computer equipment. No complaints whatsoever, and whats wrong with a cat d car anyway. I even asked abbey about it and they said don't let it put you off. I got a 10.5 grand car for 6250 good business I reckon. Handles great with the new tyres runs great so mr Nasty who was having pop at me about going cheap well enough said. We can't all be experts about tyres and I've learned from this. I won't be posting on here again so you can all be really helpful to some other poor critter who dares to ask a question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashurik Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) Well ok I had the tyres fitted. Three separate people checked the wheel nuts. Alignment was done on machine and computer equipment. No complaints whatsoever, and whats wrong with a cat d car anyway. I even asked abbey about it and they said don't let it put you off. I got a 10.5 grand car for 6250 good business I reckon. Handles great with the new tyres runs great so mr Nasty who was having pop at me about going cheap well enough said. We can't all be experts about tyres and I've learned from this. I won't be posting on here again so you can all be really helpful to some other poor critter who dares to ask a question Don't take us too serious mate! When I bought my zed and had few issues i was nearly shoot in my first post1 All good on here! People always happy to help and give an advise and kick your ass in a friendly manner! Edited May 7, 2015 by Dashurik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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