Ken Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Watched this last night but could not see the piont of a head to head with this pairing. The weight difference alone must be vast, (ok the 370z has the extra horse power) but, rear wheel drive / front wheel drive, coupe / small hatch back, on a wet track. Looked like an odd comparison to me, maybe I,m missing the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beavis Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Link here http://fwd.channel5.com/fifth-gear/vide ... 265-trophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thanks for the link Beavis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manphibian Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Turbo cars will always be more exciting than na. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBoy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Watched this last night but could not see the piont of a head to head with this pairing. The weight difference alone must be vast, (ok the 370z has the extra horse power) but, rear wheel drive / front wheel drive, coupe / small hatch back, on a wet track. Looked like an odd comparison to me, maybe I,m missing the point. Yea, not that surprising really, powerful RWD is never really going to be carefree fun on a wet track because it's going to try and kill you all the time. As for the lap time, I'd think the Zed suffered because its advantage was its power, which it couldn't get down in the wet. Sort of begs the question why bother to test for fun and speed in the wet at all, as that's a pretty stupid time for spirited driving. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Its a bizarre comparison, especially sticking a rear wheel drive car on a track in the wet, but I suppose a bit more interesting than just doing the standard comparison to say a Scirocco R and the like which gets done everytime a Renault hot hatch comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Hmm as pointless comparisons go that's up there with the best of them. Since I don't spend my days flinging my car around a wet track I think I'll stick the Z. The Renault looks plain naff to me. I know which one I'd rather been seen out on the roads in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeesiter Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I think I'll stick the Z. The Renault looks plain naff to me. I know which one I'd rather been seen out on the roads in +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 What they are trying to compare is the following..... The Renault Against the 370z Yes the Renault may be fun and give you a bad name, but I'd rather take home the 370z and enjoy the ride and show her off as much as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynesml Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I think I'll stick the Z. The Renault looks plain naff to me. I know which one I'd rather been seen out on the roads in +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Yeah too right mate +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw99 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 like the comparison Wasso.. funny. would like to see the same shoot out in the dry, maybe round the ring, not sure the outcome would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Wasso using your comparison as a guide I would happy ride around in the 370z for 90% of the time but occasionally I would still like to slip inside the Renault and give it a good seeing to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH 370z Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Yep I don't get it either I find 5th gear a bit twatty anyway TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Getting back to the metal................. Quite sure if the track were dry the 370 would better the Megane by a similar amount that it lost out on that damp track. Goes without saying really that RWD will always struggle in the damp/wet, as we all know and sideways stuff on track will never be quicker. That said, I am sure the Megane would be great fun but not me as I would much rather have the build quality of the Nissan any day over the Renault. My experience of French built cars meant the dealer saw them than more than me and I would never buy one again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Getting back to the metal................. Quite sure if the track were dry the 370 would better the Megane by a similar amount that it lost out on that damp track. Goes without saying really that RWD will always struggle in the damp/wet, as we all know and sideways stuff on track will never be quicker. That said, I am sure the Megane would be great fun but not me as I would much rather have the build quality of the Nissan any day over the Renault. My experience of French built cars meant the dealer saw them than more than me and I would never buy one again A case of highlighting just what they wanted to highlight I guess.... I think a 370z is worth the 2k difference in price on the Renault any day of the week regardless of how slower it is round a wet track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted December 17, 2011 Author Share Posted December 17, 2011 Wasso using your comparison as a guide I would happy ride around in the 370z for 90% of the time but occasionally I would still like to slip inside the Renault and give it a good seeing to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK350Z Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I'll probably watch it at some point, but are they just both being tested because of refreshes or something? they're hardly aimed at the same market are they? Wasso using your comparison as a guide I would happy ride around in the 370z for 90% of the time but occasionally I would still like to slip inside the Renault and give it a good seeing to Absolutely no. no. no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSensible Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 It's a pointless comparison on a wet day, but they aren't going to reschedule filming just because its been raining. Knowing Castle Combed fairly well, i'm pretty confident it would have been a different story in the dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 A case of highlighting just what they wanted to highlight I guess.... I think a 370z is worth the 2k difference in price on the Renault any day of the week regardless of how slower it is round a wet track I didn't realise the prices were so close to each other. Unless you need the extra seats then the 370z would be a no brainer for me (although admittedly I guess I am somewhat biased!). Just seems to me a far more grown up and exclusive car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Also even though the 370 is hardly the most luxurious of interiors it would surely be a nicer place to be than the Renault? Anyway as Ken said right from the start why compare a big heavy gt to a lightened hatchback with a mahoosive turbo...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Looking at this logically, I can see what they were trying to compare. Historically, the performance of the Zed could not be matched by an off the shelf hot hatch. They wanted to see if this "new" one could give better performance. And around the wet track it did, so it won. Lest not forget the 370z is a GT car and a damn quick one at that. I would and have happily drive it across the continent, no way you'd do that in your souped up Renault. So yes the Renault is quicker in the wet but the Zed has a lot more to offer. One interesting point they made which I agreed on is the Zed has a tendancy to understeer quite a bit before getting into oversteer mode. I'm sure this is for safety reasons and a good alignment could sort it out, but I think it does let the car down a bit. Also, as they didnt give it to the Zed, it means other numpties watching Fifth Gear wont be running out to buy one so we can keep it a bit rarer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 One interesting point they made which I agreed on is the Zed has a tendancy to understeer quite a bit before getting into oversteer mode. I'm sure this is for safety reasons and a good alignment could sort it out, but I think it does let the car down a bit. Get an extra degree of toe-in on the front and rear Chris - it has dialled out that tendency for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Looking at this logically, I can see what they were trying to compare. Historically, the performance of the Zed could not be matched by an off the shelf hot hatch. They wanted to see if this "new" one could give better performance. And around the wet track it did, so it won. Lest not forget the 370z is a GT car and a damn quick one at that. I would and have happily drive it across the continent, no way you'd do that in your souped up Renault. So yes the Renault is quicker in the wet but the Zed has a lot more to offer. One interesting point they made which I agreed on is the Zed has a tendancy to understeer quite a bit before getting into oversteer mode. I'm sure this is for safety reasons and a good alignment could sort it out, but I think it does let the car down a bit. Also, as they didnt give it to the Zed, it means other numpties watching Fifth Gear wont be running out to buy one so we can keep it a bit rarer +1. The s2000 and z3m's did this as people branded the first cars snappy and widow makers but now they are less neutral. I think for day to day its better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Also just watched it. Its the trophy its against. The trophy is the limited edition track version usually. The clio trophy suspension alone was over £3k. After watching that I so want a 370 its an awesome looking car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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