Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 How much you gonna sell it for??? Why? Seems a reasonable question You're quite happy to spill the beans on the rest of the thread, maybe he wants to buy it, I might even want to buy it, Ekona might want to buy it. Shame it's left a bad taste re Porsche 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 So I'm now torn, I have the 987 Boxster S which imo is a great car but after spending a few hours in a Cayman S last night I'm trying to justify why I shouldn't upgrade to Adrians car The Cayman is dynamically better than the Boxster but not by much & has a bit more poke, so do I or don't I buy your car Adrian??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 If you are asking the question I think you have already made your mind up lol Must admit I was tempted too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I would ! You know it's been fixed ,'has warranty and you should get it for mates rates;) Also interested in the price ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 To be quite honest I'd say don't buy it!!! That's only because you're my brother so I won't be able to make a good margin on it and I need the pennies for the GT-R Looking at similar models (Cayman S 2006, 55k to 85k miles) with no engine rebuilt (so chances to have bore scoring are as big as they were on my car) you can see them going from £15k upwards http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/cayman/porsche-cayman-24v-s-2006/4384209 http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/cayman/porsche-cayman-3-4s/4523981 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201507145192224 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201406124962712 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201506114239033 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20150802571360 http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201508105922873 and so on. Hard to put a price on mine, what do you guys think it will be a fair price, considering the brand new engine and 1 year warranty which is usually worth about £1k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 To be quite honest I'd say don't buy it!!! That's only because you're my brother so I won't be able to make a good margin on it and I need the pennies for the GT-R Looking at similar models (Cayman S 2006, 55k to 85k miles) with no engine rebuilt (so chances to have bore scoring are as big as they were on my car) you can see them going from £15k upwards http://www.pistonhea...-s-2006/4384209 http://www.pistonhea...an-3-4s/4523981 http://www.autotrade...201507145192224 http://www.autotrade...201406124962712 http://www.autotrade...201506114239033 http://www.autotrade.../20150802571360 http://www.autotrade...201508105922873 and so on. Hard to put a price on mine, what do you guys think it will be a fair price, considering the brand new engine and 1 year warranty which is usually worth about £1k? He's your brother, you have to GIVE it to him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Why? You feel tempted, too? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 To be quite honest I'd say don't buy it!!! That's only because you're my brother so I won't be able to make a good margin on it and I need the pennies for the GT-R Looking at similar models (Cayman S 2006, 55k to 85k miles) with no engine rebuilt (so chances to have bore scoring are as big as they were on my car) you can see them going from £15k upwards http://www.pistonhea...-s-2006/4384209 http://www.pistonhea...an-3-4s/4523981 http://www.autotrade...201507145192224 http://www.autotrade...201406124962712 http://www.autotrade...201506114239033 http://www.autotrade.../20150802571360 http://www.autotrade...201508105922873 and so on. Hard to put a price on mine, what do you guys think it will be a fair price, considering the brand new engine and 1 year warranty which is usually worth about £1k? He's your brother, you have to GIVE it to him!! Well I did propose a good deal to hime yesterday, we could just swap, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Hard to put a price on mine, what do you guys think it will be a fair price, considering the brand new engine and 1 year warranty which is usually worth about £1k? Unless you bought it for cheap because of the unknown condition of the engine, I doubt it's worth much more than you paid for it three months ago IMHO. Potentially a bit more for the warranty and possibly a nominal fee for the rebuilt engine but personally I wouldn't be looking at paying a large premium for yours over, say any other that I'd have checked out fully (as per Dan's usual, comprehensive advice). However that might just be me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Agreed. To a mate then I'd sell what I paid for it. To someone else I'd look at the market and go from there. Personally I wouldn't swap a Boxster for a Cayman, they're far too alike and the roof comes off the Boxster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Agreed. To a mate then I'd sell what I paid for it. I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Agreed. To a mate then I'd sell what I paid for it. I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) keep business and freinds separate i say life is easier at way! unless your in business with a freind then that theory dosnt mean anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) That was the risk you ran when you bought it. It could have cost you considerably more than that, so look at it that way. To be honest, what it's cost to fix I think you'll be doing well to break even; which is what I would have expected if the engine didn't eat itself given it was just a temporary, brief stop gap in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Oooooh, always fancied one but too scared of the engine bills... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) That was the risk you ran when you bought it. It could have cost you considerably more than that, so look at it that way. To be honest, what it's cost to fix I think you'll be doing well to break even; which is what I would have expected if the engine didn't eat itself given it was just a temporary, brief stop gap in the first place. Well done for choosing your nickname / username! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) Split the difference then? If Darren is happy, of course! Then again, if you'd done what I recommended in my first post on this thread and got the inspection... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Darren it's just playing with you folks, he's buying a GTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I'd be making £1k loss. Not good I had to contribute towards the engine rebuild, warranty only pays £5k (hopefully) Split the difference then? If Darren is happy, of course! Then again, if you'd done what I recommended in my first post on this thread and got the inspection... ;) I've been waiting for that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Well done for choosing your nickname / username! And this is why we will never do business together. You bought a car 3 months ago, it broke, you've fixed it. I don't think it's worth any more now than what you paid for it 3 months ago hence breaking even is an achievement as you've paid out an amount towards fixing it. That is unless you got it cheap in the first place. If you did get it cheap then I don't personally think it's worth any more than any other good example on the market right now. You asked for opinions, that is mine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well done for choosing your nickname / username! And this is why we will never do business together. You bought a car 3 months ago, it broke, you've fixed it. I don't think it's worth any more now than what you paid for it 3 months ago hence breaking even is an achievement as you've paid out an amount towards fixing it. That is unless you got it cheap in the first place. If you did get it cheap then I don't personally think it's worth any more than any other good example on the market right now. You asked for opinions, that is mine. Let's clarify things a little bit I bought the car 3 months back. It didn't break, it was working absolutely fine, but because it had warranty I took it to a garage to be inspected, in case anything would have been wrong to be fixed under warranty. I've paid £12750 on it, which was about £2000 under the market value after hard negotiations, Darren was there with me, so he knows, down from £14000 asking price (which was a bit lower than the market already) So cars with similar mileage and age are advertised from £15k upwards, but no warranty and no rebuilt engine, so knowing Porsche's bore scoring problems with these engines and IMS failures let me disagree with you and say that this car is worth about £2k more than the market. It can be easily proven when it's going to be sold The garage has 2 other cars with exactly the same problem as mine, cars which have arrived after I took mine in. They're saying they're seeing at least 1 a month with serious bore scoring that needs engine rebuilt. At this rate, any other "good example on the market" is very prone to have the same issues, but because they don't come with warranty if you buy privately, in case they go wrong you'll end up with £6-8k bill, depending on the garage that does the work. Meanwhile, what's business got to do with personal opinions and debate here? We're not talking about TORQEN products and services, are we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I've paid £12750 on it, which was about £2000 under the market value after hard negotiations, Darren was there with me, so he knows, down from £14000 asking price (which was a bit lower than the market already) So cars with similar mileage and age are advertised from £15k upwards, but no warranty and no rebuilt engine, so knowing Porsche's bore scoring problems with these engines and IMS failures let me disagree with you and say that this car is worth about £2k more than the market. It can be easily proven when it's going to be sold Fair enough then, personally I'd say you can expect to recoup some of the money you've spent on rebuilding it. Personally though, as I've said, I don't think yours will be worth more than any other good example (one that has been checked out fully) with an engine that hasn't even turned over yet, let alone run in. Yes, it's got a warranty, but personally I wouldn't necessarily pay a £2,000 premium for that. I also acknowledge however that I may not be any indication of the wider market, as per my original post. I understand that you want to get the most you possibly can for it, I'm merely attempting to manage your expectations because I disagree with your valuation. Meanwhile, what's business got to do with personal opinions and debate here? We're not talking about TORQEN products and services, are we? A complete sidenote, I appreciate, but as someone who plasters Torqen branding with every post you are always representing the brand regardless of whether you're expressing a personal opinion or otherwise. You might not be talking about Torqen products and services, but you are still representing Torqen. I don't expect you to change the way you post on here, but I thought it might be beneficial to you and your business if I remind you of that fact. Feel free to ignore and/or disagree with this along with my opinion on the valuation of your Porsche. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINKJ Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Does the scratching also impact the 997 turbo by any chance? will do some research on the net but I was curious if I could get a quick response from the 'porker' lovers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 No, none of the turbos have problems, 996 or 997 - the GT3's dont suffer either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 They have different issues, like the famous coolant pipes. No car is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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