Irn Bru Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Contemplating getting my Zed painted (again) next year, had it done a year ago but got chipped to death during our NC500 tour. It's really #issing me off lately and I know if i shell out for another respray and it gets stoned again I'm really gona lose the plot lol. Was reading about ceramic coatings for wheels after they've been painted that stand up to the test but is there an equivalent for lacquering body paint to give the protection from stone chips. Thought about a clear wrap after painting but knowing my luck it would get chipped on the way to the wrappers. EDIT: I'm asking about a ceramic clear coating that would be sprayed on by the paint shop Edited September 8, 2016 by Irn Bru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEADPHONES Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ceramic pro looks like what you're after. Seen a couple of their studios in Malaysia. Should be some in uk too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 Clear wraps such as expel and suntek ..... PPF (paint protection films) are the way forward methinks for you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'd go clear wrap, that way you can easily see when it's due for a replacement. Gonna clamber into my flame suit, but I don't care what coating companies say, any kind of coating is only a fraction of the thickness of a wrap, so the protection just can't be as good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'd go clear wrap, that way you can easily see when it's due for a replacement. Gonna clamber into my flame suit, but I don't care what coating companies say, any kind of coating is only a fraction of the thickness of a wrap, so the protection just can't be as good. I see your thinking but won't the film get marked also and possibly look like lacuer peel does ? Thought about Zippypooz ppf stuff but I don't think he does kits for aftermarket bumpers, i've got the Amuse front end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Ceramic pro looks like what you're after. Seen a couple of their studios in Malaysia. Should be some in uk too. I'll do some Internet searching for this in the uk, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 Clear wraps such as expel and suntek ..... PPF (paint protection films) are the way forward methinks for you Are these tough films, and able to take road rash ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 yup and self healing look it up on youtube etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 8, 2016 Author Share Posted September 8, 2016 yup and self healing look it up on youtube etc Just watched the expel vid on yt, looks pretty bloody good tbh, think further research for a uk supplier and wrapper is needed, thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P15UL T Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Check out Rev limits on Facebook. I'm sure him and a detailer called Steven Bryce do it. Sure there from Glasgow area too Paul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Saw a white car that had that clear film on it , it changed the colour slightly and had big lines of dirt around the edges , if stone chips bother you that this would Better getting a colour thats easy to touch up and enjoying the car imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 A) yes you can get ceramic lacquers. Some manufacturers (Merc and Audi for example) use it from factory and it's a swine to detail. you can ceramic coat bodywork same way as wheels are done. Modern ceramics are 9h hardness C) PPF like suntek, XPEL and the like can provide film protection. Ceramic paint would be a specialist bodyshop Ceramic coating would be a bod like me and can last 5-7 years. PPF have a shelf life like wrap. Cheap ones can yellow. I believe wax can cause the film to do that as well. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Also worth factoring in that with any of the options the front end will beforehand need repainting to give a perfect surface and will need a month or so to gas off fully before protecting. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I'd go clear wrap, that way you can easily see when it's due for a replacement. Gonna clamber into my flame suit, but I don't care what coating companies say, any kind of coating is only a fraction of the thickness of a wrap, so the protection just can't be as good. This is true. A self healing film will always give better protection that a coating but these coatings are HARD! Gtechniq for example needs to be wet sanded off if you **** it up. Film will probably be the same cost for front end as ceramic coating a whole car. Film may yellow and only lasts so long Film personally I feel must alter the behaviour of the paint (fleck, metallic, reflection, pearl) to some degree (albeit potentially minor). Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 A) yes you can get ceramic lacquers. Some manufacturers (Merc and Audi for example) use it from factory and it's a swine to detail. you can ceramic coat bodywork same way as wheels are done. Modern ceramics are 9h hardness C) PPF like suntek, XPEL and the like can provide film protection. Ceramic paint would be a specialist bodyshop Ceramic coating would be a bod like me and can last 5-7 years. PPF have a shelf life like wrap. Cheap ones can yellow. I believe wax can cause the film to do that as well. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk "Ceramic coating would be a bod like me and can last 5-7 years". As in you do these ceramic coating Ricey ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitevanman Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I've got mine booked in for a full detail and then a ceramic coating at the end of the month, My car has really bad lacquer apparently,scratches really easily even with your finger nail, Should be a lot easier to keep clean then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 A) yes you can get ceramic lacquers. Some manufacturers (Merc and Audi for example) use it from factory and it's a swine to detail. you can ceramic coat bodywork same way as wheels are done. Modern ceramics are 9h hardness C) PPF like suntek, XPEL and the like can provide film protection. Ceramic paint would be a specialist bodyshop Ceramic coating would be a bod like me and can last 5-7 years. PPF have a shelf life like wrap. Cheap ones can yellow. I believe wax can cause the film to do that as well. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk "Ceramic coating would be a bod like me and can last 5-7 years". As in you do these ceramic coating Ricey ? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1866268156935334&id=1483558688539618 Assuming you can follow the link that's my test car for SiRamik SC15. 3-5 year protection (obviously all the caveats about it being cleaned properly and bi annually coated with SC Mist - which is cheap and you can do it yourself). I'm also about to become approved by SiRamik for their pro range ATP system. That is a 3 stage coating with the latter coat being Diamas......a Diamond Nanorod based solution. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm also about to become approved by SiRamik for their pro range ATP system. That is a 3 stage coating with the latter coat being Diamas......a Diamond Nanorod based solution. Oooh, interesting! *ilogikal1 does his best meerkat impression* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm also about to become approved by SiRamik for their pro range ATP system. That is a 3 stage coating with the latter coat being Diamas......a Diamond Nanorod based solution. Oooh, interesting! *ilogikal1 does his best meerkat impression* Yeah I won't pretend and understand what the hell a Diamond Nanorod is but basically it's rock hard! He's also been tinting some of the coatings with some sort of pigmented fleck which is an unusual slant on things. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 What kind of dosh are we talking to get this lacquer work done mate, PM me if you prefer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 The rumours of PPF turning yellow are a little outdated - earlier versions yes, the latest suntek and Xpel should last up to 10 years although its true that some petroleum based waxes will also have this effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 What kind of dosh are we talking to get this lacquer work done mate, PM me if you prefer Single stage machine polish and ceramic coating with SC15 is £395 mate. For the APT system it's a bit more but I'm not approved just yet so can't confirm exactly. For the Diamas coating it's more again This is a ceramic coating and not a ceramic lacquer though. If you want ceramic lacquer you need to speak to a specialist bodyshop Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Contemplating getting my Zed painted (again) next year, had it done a year ago but got chipped to death during our NC500 tour. It's really #issing me off lately and I know if i shell out for another respray and it gets stoned again I'm really gona lose the plot lol. I don't think you will ever stop stone chips unless you give this a go . . . I am starting to see more vehicles with lips and bumpers sprayed with Line-x, they can match any colour apparently. I guess it depends how much you really hate stone chips. This stuff is tough as old boots . . check out this video . . . I will be spraying the Jeep grille and arches with it over the winter I think . . and then the rest. A nice candy apple red. No more polishing . . just jet wash and go Edited September 13, 2016 by DoogyRev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yeah got a Jeep too, Commander 5.7 hemi, love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippypooz Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I'd go clear wrap, that way you can easily see when it's due for a replacement. Gonna clamber into my flame suit, but I don't care what coating companies say, any kind of coating is only a fraction of the thickness of a wrap, so the protection just can't be as good. I see your thinking but won't the film get marked also and possibly look like lacuer peel does ? Thought about Zippypooz ppf stuff but I don't think he does kits for aftermarket bumpers, i've got the Amuse front end. I can do kits for aftermarket bumpers but would need to template it. Thanks for the mention though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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