JEMAN Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I thought deja vu had finished on this, help my head hurts. yea it seems same topic different week a lot recently Cheap cars now, people buy them for not much and want other things done for not much too, unfortunately nothing decent is cheap for these cars dont think for any car you can get something that is truly decent and truly cheap tho, and as i always say you build two cars one with volks tein brides cucsco etc then build a car with the cheer costs or version ie rota apex omp summit racing etc it will never looks as good drive as good or feel as special as the other car built with end stuff you get what you pay for I got Rotas, does that make me cheap Didn't Say rotas were bad just imagine how much better would be with some nice wide ce28n lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Jdm import 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Jdm import In Japan it's illegal for a car to go over 112mph. God, didn't you watch Tokyo drift 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And if you can do 113 the police won't chase you regardless even if it's rush hour 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 It has always struck me that its rather expensive for the DE remap as in theory its going to be a pretty much generic map, if you think about it you can only fit certain mods before a remap, and as the std ECU will basically dial out anything improvements, the remap is tailored to take into consideration these upgrades and just loaded to the ECU, OK there will be various things people want, like mor than one map on cruse control cars, but in general its only ever going to require a quick tweak on the roller to get the end result. Ahhh but you see every hooker is different (see what I did there Steve) Some are pretty and perform in amazing ways £700 Some are god damn awful and perform like a retarded dog £50 and a free STI. Each car is different, ok marginally different, but still my map could be slightly different than another revup car. Mileage differences, could play a factor in this. I don't think its THAT expensive, unless you get a tuner that charges way more than another but with a lesser result with the figures. Wait what I get a free Subaru where do I sign up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I thought deja vu had finished on this, help my head hurts. yea it seems same topic different week a lot recently Cheap cars now, people buy them for not much and want other things done for not much too, unfortunately nothing decent is cheap for these cars dont think for any car you can get something that is truly decent and truly cheap tho, and as i always say you build two cars one with volks tein brides cucsco etc then build a car with the cheer costs or version ie rota apex omp summit racing etc it will never looks as good drive as good or feel as special as the other car built with end stuff you get what you pay for i disagree stevo, i won a brand new mishimoto radiator on ebay the other day, still in the box and never opened for 99p! to be fair though its not every day you get a deal like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraziekatz1 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Does anyone know about the benefits/issues of using open source mapping like Linux? It seems much cheaper than standard ECU mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Does anyone know about the benefits/issues of using open source mapping like Linux? It seems much cheaper than standard ECU mapping. Earlier point missed anyway, the problem with open source mapping software, is the problem with being able to access the std ECU, a lot of modern ECUs are locked and cannot be written to without the access code, which is probably why Up-Rev charge for the license, i would suspect that they have a concession from Nissan, not that i think the amount is justified. As for the remap, don't forget the original Nissan map is generic, so if you think about it why shouldn't it be generic for a remap, i know dam well that if i was doing the remap i would have a generic map for each type of breathing mod already written ready to upload, it saves a lot of time and if the customer wanted certain tweaks then it cuts down the time spent faffing about on the rollers, although every car may slightly different, its unlikely that there will be enough that will change things by more than a couple of bhp.anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Limited to 155mph. Get the limiter taken off as in a remap and it will do more (seen 170mph+). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamess115 Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Limited to 155mph. Get the limiter taken off as in a remap and it will do more (seen 170mph+). I may still get the car remapped but my original question was whether its poss to get the limiter removed 'without' taking it for a remap ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bradders- Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Brand snobbery is still alive and well i see! Brand whores... brand whores everywhereee! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fair enough on your responses cheers. On a similar subject, my car is speed limited to 112mph. Can I get this removed without going thru a re-map ..? Hi there.......why is your car limited to 112 ? Sorry to ask or have I missed something. Also is the DE engine maxed out at 155 or limited to 155 ? Anyone's thoughts please Cheers Limited to 155mph. Get the limiter taken off as in a remap and it will do more (seen 170mph+). I may still get the car remapped but my original question was whether its poss to get the limiter removed 'without' taking it for a remap ? Hks sell a speed limit defencer (sld) that would do the trick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PageyUK Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I've got to agree, £400, especially for a DE where you will see hardly any noticeable improvements is a lot of money. I wonder if they would do a group booking discount of some kind? If tyhe MAP takes less than an hour, including loading it onto the rollers and setting up I would assume they have different maps stored and ready to load. That's also £400 after you've spent a few hundred doing supporting mods like the intake spacer, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Can we Ban this type of topic in future please people moaning at the price every week getting very tedious right lets work this in reverse £402 - VAT @20% = £335 £335 - uprev license needed per every ECU to crack it of £200 = £135 £135 - estimate on a basis of 2 hours in the work shop (mine was about 3 and a half) works out at about £67 per hour to be honest that seem very fair and well priced and anyone saying "But my Revo map for my 1.8t leon cost less and got more your pointing the obvious its turbocharged car and the engine was used in thousands of hot hatch model with a customer base which is about 10,000% larger than the 350z customer base, and all they do is download a map which add more fuel and boost to a safe level they dont tune it and tweak it to each car that comes threw the workshop Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I think you will find its actually the license fee that most object to, and before you get on the "oh but you pay a license fee for MS office etc" bandwagon, the difference is that you own the MS office to do with it what you like, however with Up-rev you just own the license, you can do nothing with the software. And may i suggest if you don't like to discus this then just don't post on the subject, and leave it to those that do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I think you will find its actually the license fee that most object to, and before you get on the "oh but you pay a license fee for MS office etc" bandwagon, the difference is that you own the MS office to do with it what you like, however with Up-rev you just own the license, you can do nothing with the software. And may i suggest if you don't like to discus this then just don't post on the subject, and leave it to those that do. how you going to run Microsoft office without a PC honestly im intrigued you can buy the up-rev with the data cables and software to load on to your own PC, and if its the license fee then whys everyone quoting £400 for it is alot when its actually only £200 Bottom line if you dont like the price dont buy it , Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I love the way so many people on here don't understand how business works, I genuinely wonder how some people manage to get through life. Everyone needs to make money, so that they, and their business can SURVIVE! Lets take Stevo's figures, and wind down on them a bit more. £402 - VAT @20% = £335 £335 - uprev license needed per every ECU to crack it of £200 = £135 £135 - estimate on a basis of 2 hours in the work shop (mine was about 3 and a half) works out at about £67 per hour. £67 per hour, needs to cover the wage of the operator, for ease lets say he's on £17 per hour (£33,150 a year) So we're left with £50 an hour, this needs to cover: The electric bill, the dyno cost and maintenance, license fee's for the dyno software, building rent, the company insurance, council business rates, wage for the business owner, you're probably going to want a hot drink whilst you wait and obviously that isn't a gift from the fairies either. They've also got costs to cover which aren't related to your work, as whilst they're working on your car they can't work on someone else's, cost of ramps, tracking/alignment systems, scrap removal, tools, training, advertising, billing, phone bill so you can contact them, explaining all this crap to people... I think you will find its actually the license fee that most object to, and before you get on the "oh but you pay a license fee for MS office etc" bandwagon, the difference is that you own the MS office to do with it what you like, however with Up-rev you just own the license, you can do nothing with the software. And may i suggest if you don't like to discus this then just don't post on the subject, and leave it to those that do. Buy an ebay map with no license fee, please! Genuinely, please! I need some parts for my car, and people selling them off cheaply when their engine blows is a great one as the bodyparts are generally fine. Edited July 9, 2014 by AliveBoy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Just to add some fire - To buy a Dyno outright, you are looking well over £25k upwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I love the way so many people on here don't understand how business works, I genuinely wonder how some people manage to get through life. Everyone needs to make money, so that they, and their business can SURVIVE! Lets take Stevo's figures, and wind down on them a bit more. £402 - VAT @20% = £335 £335 - uprev license needed per every ECU to crack it of £200 = £135 £135 - estimate on a basis of 2 hours in the work shop (mine was about 3 and a half) works out at about £67 per hour. £67 per hour, needs to cover the wage of the operator, for ease lets say he's on £17 per hour (£33,150 a year) So we're left with £50 an hour, this needs to cover: The electric bill, the dyno cost and maintenance, license fee's for the dyno software, building rent, the company insurance, council business rates, wage for the business owner, you're probably going to want a hot drink whilst you wait and obviously that isn't a gift from the fairies either. They've also got costs to cover which aren't related to your work, as whilst they're working on your car they can't work on someone else's, cost of ramps, tracking/alignment systems, scrap removal, tools, training, advertising, billing, phone bill so you can contact them, explaining all this crap to people... I think you will find its actually the license fee that most object to, and before you get on the "oh but you pay a license fee for MS office etc" bandwagon, the difference is that you own the MS office to do with it what you like, however with Up-rev you just own the license, you can do nothing with the software. And may i suggest if you don't like to discus this then just don't post on the subject, and leave it to those that do. Buy an ebay map with no license fee, please! Genuinely, please! I need some parts for my car, and people selling them off cheaply when their engine blows is a great one as the bodyparts are generally fine. Right as above people moaning the license fee is to much, lets put this into context but first do people know you pay the license once then you can add parts remove parts and get it mapped again without paying the license fee again, do see people moaning there paying £145 for a tv license every year but any way £200 per car thats covering uprevs machanics uprevs research techs uprevs development techs uprevs support techs uprevs manufacturing staff Uprev test drivers uprev admins taff uprev finance staff uprev receptionists uprevs site costs ie insurance, land tax etc Uprevs Travel costs for visiting all these tuning garages around the world to try and sell there product Uprevs training courses Uprevs entry into places like sema and other auto-cons Uprev buying/renting Nissan and infinity cars with all sorts of engine etc for testing Uprevs trading license Uprevs advertising/sponsorship deals uprevs dyno equipment Uprevs Ramps and tools plus more and ontop of that making sure there is enough left in the pot for the shareholders Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bradders- Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Just to add some fire - To buy a Dyno outright, you are looking well over £25k upwards I'm pretty sure my last dyno tuner picked his up for around 4k second hand, its not shitter either 4wd up to 2500bhp. Where can i get me an ebay map? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraziekatz1 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 There is a very similar thread running on Scoobynet at the moment.............the conflicting comments are making my head explode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 There is a very similar thread running on Scoobynet at the moment.............the conflicting comments are making my head explode Don't read them There is no point. This thread is pointless The price is what the price is, doesn't matter why who what where how when MONKEYS. No one will get it MUCH cheaper, people who want a remap will pay for the remap, people who don't won't. BOOM! /Thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) No one will get it MUCH cheaper, people who want a remap will pay for the remap, people who don't won't. BOOM! /Thread Bottom line if you dont like the price dont buy it , look at the time just saying Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 We need some of this. Stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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