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Looking on Autotrader Nissan Leaf loses up to £13000 in value post 12 months. At 36 months it being sold at £12-15,000 for the mid and low spec. More likely top spec leaf will retail at £20,000 post 36 months low mileage for the £40,000 new leaf top spec. The mid range model at £36000 new and lower spec at £30,000 new. Tesla Model S is being sold at £39-62k 2016 models. Not sure how much they were brand new. Guessing 60-90k depending on model. Teslas holding better value due to brand popularity in this sector. 30% depreciation is good. But thats Tesla. Other brands depreciate far more. Daily Mail may be the butt of jokes, but that particular article wasnt far off. The unwanted Nismo 370z loses up to £15,000 in the first 2 years from £40,000 extreme case 37.5% but the Germans such as the older M2 lost up to £12,000 after 2 years and 20,000 miles 30 - 39% percentile range depreciation is more realistic on petrol cars 3 years old and 30k miles. I appreciate people like what they like. I was interested to see what other brands apart from Tesla can offer. Nissan offer 300 mile range which is good. Im not a huge fan of electric cars but I appreciate what they do. Its just not feasible for most people until the proper infrastructure is in place especially those without a cushty driveway or charging points they can see from their living room overlooking the street. Im not arguing for or against. Just giving an opinion never claimed anything as fact.

the 350z girl had a clean go. But you might be right or wrong. Its hard to tell. Some of the drivers in episode 1 were absolute garbage. Also certain cars are easy to control and dont take huge amount of skill to drift. They need to ditch the excessive arab style commentary. It ruins the experience a little when everything needs to be explained. But i suppose its similar to those japanese gladiator style obstacle course tv shows. Three commentators is a bit over the top Episode 2, "oh we can see shes distraught" no we cant see lol we need you to tell us.....

@Ebized A self charging ev would have been thought of but im sure theres a logical explanation for why there isnt one on the market. Or anything that comes remotely close is a petrol hybrid aka Prius, Auris, CRZ, NSX and some hypercars to name a few. Regenerative braking, one pedal driving, solar panelled cars from Holland costing £130,000 are available. Just not in the traditional format. PS the solar panel car from Holland has been touted as the next big thing for the 5% ers. Pure electric and high starting price, but Fisker already did something similar years ago or tried to. but it wasnt purely electric getting a shocking 20 mpg.

if you really want to keep your v6 or gas guzzling sports car post 2030 you may need to install an integrated electric motor to switch on as soon as the enforcement officers get behind you. Hide your exhausts and only come out at night. With an electric motor you too are doing your bit for the environment. Really, what will you tell your kids if you dont comply with the new rules?

@coldel where do you currently park? There must be petitions already for car park charging. If its private you would probably need to reach out to the developers or whoever owns the area to put the charging points up? I think within time they will start putting them up in residential areas

Mate I just charge it on my block and hope the asbos find something better to do than set the cable alight. I was driving the other day and saw charging points on an estate near the main road. Anything is possible. Just need the kids to get on board and there'll be no vandalism. Also nipping to cafe for 30 minutes before setting off on the 500 mile trip is possible. But youll have to stop for 30 minutes somewhere to charge up again. Until the 500 mile range battery is made widely available

There will always be new tech especially with the quicker charging vehicles. But its the fear of the battery needing replacing. Guess im no different with the CRZ lol. The IMA battery light flashed up on the dash back in January I was literally ready to get rid. Thats nothing in comparison to having to replace a Tesla battery im sure. Either way they should last 150,000 miles?? But also if you live in London. From 2025 it wont matter whether you have a car the runs on Electricity or Hydrogen. Youll be hit with the congestion charge. We come a long way from people driving petrol hybrids exempt from congestion charge back in 2011. From 2025 all cars will be charged. I wont be surprised if they start adding an alternative version of VED to electric vehicles even if its £20, £30 pounds a year. Those government discounts may not be so discounted if EVs become more common

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-7402405/Electric-vehicles-depreciate-twice-quickly-petrol-cars.html

I was thinking if I see this at the Tokyo Motorshow and no new Z, I might go down there and have a word myself. Fortunately its easier to just buy something else than care that much

Its almost too perfect concerning the lines of the car. I would have gone for something a bit elevated or angled. Similar to the Nismo mk2. As its the convertible i can see why suttle is better If that was the intention then its alright. May need a respray to colour match.

I got mine at £4,000 below market value. We buy any car gave me what I paid pretty much a year later and 8000 miles on. They did knock off £200 for 4 stonechips on the bonnet. Sell privately but if you spot something you like part exchange can usually yield a discount in the right dealer. Think about it carefully. once its gone its gone.

How do you switch off the commentary lol

lol the 50th anniversary just landed in the UK. £34,000. Thats going to be worth £22,000 in a year lol. Didn't think it was coming to UK lol

LOL youll have to stop at some point for longer than 5 minutes. The time it takes to get from the car at the back of the busy motorway services to the toilet. Possibly pick up a coffee or magazine to read at the next stop when the little one really needs to go because they thought they didnt need to go during the petrol stop. Okay it might not be as long as 30 minute break to charge though. But offset that with putting another 40 pounds in for fuel. A trade off maybe lol

You serious bro?

The new Peugeot 508 interior would have you feeling at home @Umster they pulled out all the stops Old Micras are okay. The new ones not so much. Awful cars. Not a patch on the Honda Jazz back on topic, being on YouTube seeing all these 50-60k sports cars like the alpine, supra, m2, z4. Cant help but think theres an opportunity to upset the bunch if done right.

Hence the Honda E. Shame about the range. But it makes sense to at least style it properly. Model 3 isnt a bad looker but a bit familiar now. On another note people want more power in the Z. I thought what the 370 Nismo does really well is launch from a stand still in the dry compared with the more powerful M4 which usually struggles for traction. After seeing Living Life Fast 720 hp M4. I think any future Z would need to either be moderate on power no more than 400 bhp or All Wheel Drive Also if you make it AWD you lose the fun aspect. If you make it a rear biased AWD or switchable like the M5 then youre onto something. Shame that would increase the cost of the car. Putting the power down on rear wheel drive especially a 400hp car hmm

Nismo Micra, Nismo Leaf worth every penny

Stang eh, nice car. 5 liter v8. Sounds glorious. They will only ban the sale of new petrol engines with high displacement or emissions. And maybe from inner cities. Just move to the sticks.

30k?? lol I cant see it. I can see a 30k 4 pot. I mean how much is a new 370Z £35,000-£37000 with dealer discount. We are talking about a new car on a new production line that is cheaper than the current model with a more expensive twin turbo engine. If you say no trims just one configuration at £30,000 - £34,000 new with a twin turbo v6 you may sell a lot but the profit margin looks low unless youre using cheaper materials or collaborating with Mercedes/Renault The cheapest Z4 2 liter is £35,000 with M sport £36,000 with basic trim. Used are around 30k They expect 70% of sales to be the 2 liter 20i and 30i. A brand new 6 cylinder at £30-£40,000 is unlikely now Nissan have got their GTR in good spot. They probably want to command big money. Unless they take a leaf from Mazda and have a pricing strategy. Also bare bones like the current Nismo. No adaptive suspension, no driving modes, similar features to what you have now. Are you adding or taking anything away? Are you only thinking of a basic track pack what about those that want a GT cruiser with creature comforts and not a Nismo what features do they get. Nothing? then less sales as rivals offer more. With Mx-5 im struggling to think of direct rivals aside from a TT roadster thats 17k more? Fiat 124 donor car discontinued in UK....Not much else. Car sells itself pretty much. Also Mazda after sales service is apparently good.

Thats the problem with Nissan they feel they can now charge £85,000 Premium, Nismo £170,000 and £1,000,000 for GtR-50 because they have built a fanbase on the GTR brand. I think the whole undercutting thing has gone especially with Honda charging upper 30s for their HRV/CRV and 150k+ for the NSX I think those days are truly gone. I think Nissans premium cars will command similar to the Germans. The next GTR if there is one I can see Nissan slapping £100,000 on it. So it makes sense for any new car to command at least £50,000 unless they wish to go down the cheap and cheerful route and throw a Mercedes 4 pot turbo in there at £30,000 but then something would be lacking....just like the A35 at 300hp or they can offer trims for 2 liter (300hp) an alternative to buying a hatchback with a 2 + 2 maybe, 3 liter (400hp) shorter wheel base GT, 3 liter (475) hp Nismo etc which is another option most people arent a fan of as it dilutes the Z line. The demand is the issue. But hey the MX5 sold 30,000 ND so far in 2 years. Difference is price is down in the 20s. How many units can you sell at 30k plus? would you buy a lightweight 4 banger turbo Z say 1300kg?........for a small market especially in EU is it worth the effort. USA though is a different fish. 4 pot supras apparently are going to asia market Lol all sounds good but you need to bring a concept or concepts and judge feedback/interest on that as Toyota, Honda etc have done with their new or upcoming releases.

got a better leak than that lol, thats an old render from 2 years back. The render I found was from Japan recently and closely resembles the new Juke in terms of front/rear lights. The rear lights have a slightly edgier design. If they do go ahead the lights will resemble the new Juke front and rear. They are going with LEDs on the new Juke. Also if they did make one it would cost as much as the Supra, Alpine and Z4 M40i at £50,000 which is much more than most people are willing to pay. Also are Nissan content to sell only 2000 cars per annum in EU with a decline? like Alpine in 2018 im not so sure Hybrid would be similar to the Q60 black s concept making it too expensive for this market. Pushing it to Cayman territory New turbo cars are being tuned with more linear power delivery. So going turbo is not the end of the world lol Wait for Tokyo motorshow I guess. If nothing is mentioned there then thats that for now. highly unlikely to see a new Z there but you never know. Fingers crossed!

Yeah we discussed that in the past, Nismo is a special car not without issues. The Japanese arent doing as much right now in terms of mid range performance cars so its good to keep an open mind outside of Japanese unless the good stuff like GTR, LC 500 is in range then sure. The chief designer for Nissan is occupied opening new offices and doing work on the new Juke. If nothing comes at the Tokyo motorshow I doubt therell be a new Z anytime soon. So in meantime there are other cars.

Its a forum, hence the discussion! Youve got your favourite Chris Harris for that! Its not just about what to buy. Its also to get general opinions on new car models on the market some of which are unattainable for me. Its an automotive forum. Discussions are part and parcel of it. Sorry for being too active ill kick back from now on!

I suppose its worth waiting for the top spec to come down a bit as in a used one. The trims are cheaper and more equipped than the rivals apart from the MX5, Fiat 124 etc. In my opinion the MX5 is selling well for the current climate and popular due to affordability and spec (26,000) in 2017 in US and EU. (21,000) in 2018. Good figures for today The Mercedes and Audi equivalents cost a bit more specced up. Probably less involving drive. I suppose 70% of people that buy would buy the 20i. Ideally the 40i is the one to go for with the b58. Apparently the 20i is lighter to make up for less power.