Jixaman Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Wild and out there... But is the car even the car that's on the log book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren350 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just buy some Nitrous. That'll cheer you up! Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 You're correct, and agree with you're advised course of action, but no one is saying it should have 300bhp or was advertised as such, but it was advertised as the 350Z 300 model, which is sufficiently different (as is the 313 model) to the previous model to warrant a difference to the DVLA, therefore its been mis-sold. I'm still not sure it has. There is no such thing as a 350Z 300, it's just a term that we as owners use (what is the official term? Is it a revup? DE facelift? Z33.2? I don't know the internal naming convention) and the damning bit of evidence is the V5 itself. J17 have advertised and sold the exact car that's on the V5, it's just that the V5 isn't correct but that's not down to the dealer to sort. Hey, they may have bought it in thinking it was a revup model seeing as how that's what the V5 says! Given their history of selling Zeds I too would expect them to know the difference, but unless the OP specifically asked them if it was the 300bhp/revup model, have they actually done anything wrong? The OP viewed the car, was happy with both it and the price, and loved his car up until the point he realised he bought the normal DE. Absolute sympathy for the guy, and without the J17 history I may even give them the benefit of the doubt, and I'll be very interested to see what they come back with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsybriggs1 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yeah I was happy with the milage of it and condition is top notch! I did say the the sales man doesn't it come with rays as it's a gt spec? Didn't get much of a reply. Thing is I wasn't bothered about that it was just I wanted the 300bhp model and I was going to modify it to suit me then but now it's the 276 I wouldn't of spent all that for it - no way! It has just sickened me really. Keep the info coming guys makes me more knowledgable to argue with. Also if some one has a genuine 300 spec please pm me your log book to see if it says 350z gt 300 Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Just need a few pics of yours to identify it immediately..front grill and interior dash showing heater controls.. pop out now with your phone and post them up so we can all on here go to bed..!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk thats defo a pre face lift car not a face lift rev up (300) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsybriggs1 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just checked my logbook it just says nissan 350z sorry . It was in my bill off sale a advert Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just to clear up any confusion, I can tell you that the 296 often known as the 300 was released in The U.K on 1st April 2006. The very small number that were registered before this date were either Nissan publicity cars or cars for the press to test out before the official release date. The numbers are very small, low single figures I would guess. There are also a small number of low tax Facelift imports about as these were available in Japan in October or November 2005. There were an unknown number of earlier 276's left over in showrooms when the higher rate of tax came into force and there are quite a few members on here who have these. There's nothing wrong with the prefacelifts, the engine has more torque and the car is about 75kgs lighter so performance is very close, however, you do miss out on the uprated interior, bi-xenons, rear LED's and a few other goodies. If it was me, I'd be asking for some sort of refund based on the value of each car in todays market place. At one time, say 2008, the 300's had quite a premium on them as much as 1k but I'm guessing this has dropped to around £300-£400 these days so I'd be looking for a refund of that order. Pete 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I feel a bit sorry for the op to be honest and personally think some comments are a bit harsh. He bought the car in good faith assuming due to the advert it was a rev up, i bet if the op was of the opposite sex the tone would be different, just because he is a guy doesnt mean he has to know everything about cars, let alone model specifics! Sure he could have done some research and yes it may be natural to us car buffs who frequent forums, but some people trust a dealer is being accurate in what they are selling and dont need to question it, rightly or wrongly. I will agree with other comments though , you seem happy with the car, its now just the price point and i feel thats what you should argue 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbrom Posted April 22, 2014 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't get me wrong under no circumstances am I disappointed in the car ands it's abilities what's annoying is I could've got a 05 car which would've been cheaper to buy, cheaper road tax and cheaper insurance. I bought under the premiss that it was the uprev model (the one I wanted) I did a bit of research but I couldn't find anything regarding the interior of the uprev car. I actually thought the 313 came with the face lifted interior. I would happily keep the car now but I believe a refund is needed and if I don't get it i'll simply send the car back and get my money back and look on the forum for a car at least they'll be more knowledgable people selling me their car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren350 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Mine is for sale in September for £5800 or near offer if you're keen haha Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't get me wrong under no circumstances am I disappointed in the car ands it's abilities what's annoying is I could've got a 05 car which would've been cheaper to buy, cheaper road tax and cheaper insurance. I bought under the premiss that it was the uprev model (the one I wanted) I did a bit of research but I couldn't find anything regarding the interior of the uprev car. I actually thought the 313 came with the face lifted interior. I would happily keep the car now but I believe a refund is needed and if I don't get it i'll simply send the car back and get my money back and look on the forum for a car at least they'll be more knowledgable people selling me their car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Trading standards, make the call, they will arm you with all the info you need (laws, sale of goods act, your rights what you can expect etc) If you go armed with all the relevant info you will be in a much better position than, some bloke on the forum said.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIXXERUK Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I feel a bit sorry for the op to be honest and personally think some comments are a bit harsh. He bought the car in good faith assuming due to the advert it was a rev up, i bet if the op was of the opposite sex the tone would be different, just because he is a guy doesnt mean he has to know everything about cars, let alone model specifics! Sure he could have done some research and yes it may be natural to us car buffs who frequent forums, but some people trust a dealer is being accurate in what they are selling and dont need to question it, rightly or wrongly. I will agree with other comments though , you seem happy with the car, its now just the price point and i feel thats what you should argue I will bet there isn't one person who has read this thread that doesn't hope that Matt gains some form of compensation but the Op needs balanced opinions and sometimes that takes playing devils advocate. Of the people who are certain, definite, sure he has a case ...would any of them guarantee to pay his loss if he hasn't ? Once it was discovered the car wasn't what he thought it was it then became buyer and seller not Matt and J17 and the comments referenced accordingly Matt will take what he needs from the posts but needs to know his position legally and I'm sure the pointers to the model differences will help Hopefully this can end ammicably Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Matt, did you actually directly ask them if it was the revup/300bhp model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think you need to return the car and get a full refund, not part, if possible of course. I'm not a solicitor so I don't know what's possible. But if you can return it, take your cash to Tradelink, they have an HR for the same money, which is the one to go for if you're willing to pay the higher tax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren350 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think the HR Tradelink have is priced at the later end of £7K so actually LESS than the DE the OP has. This isn't just the 300PS version but a complete different engine revision is it not??? Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The higher tax is two tanks of fuel over a year..!! Not a big issue. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosssco Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 You're correct, and agree with you're advised course of action, but no one is saying it should have 300bhp or was advertised as such, but it was advertised as the 350Z 300 model, which is sufficiently different (as is the 313 model) to the previous model to warrant a difference to the DVLA, therefore its been mis-sold. I'm still not sure it has. There is no such thing as a 350Z 300, it's just a term that we as owners use (what is the official term? It's perhaps not an official term from Nissan as I understand it, but with regards to insurance, they are different. Pump you're Rev-up reg number into the MID, and it will say Nissan 350Z (296) Coupe. I'm pretty sure what the dealer has done is access some vehicle registration system, or simply gone by the registration date, and advertised it is a 300 model, none the wiser. Go onto Pistonheads and there are plenty of example of cars advertised as with either '300' or '313' in the title, most of these wouldn't be necessarily from owners, just other traders.. I haven't recieved my V5 yet, so can't state whether it states anything on it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosssco Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 the engine has more torque and the car is about 75kgs lighter so performance is very close Perhaps you're thinking of the convertable? The rev-up is the same kerb weight. The HR (313) is some ~25kg heavier apparently.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 J17 do seem to get through a lot of zeds. It was seeing a Roadster in their showroom which made me change my mind about getting an M3 and get a 350z Roadster instead. I think its much more clear cut than that. As far as I'm aware there were only 3 different 350z Coupe's released in the UK. One called the 350z, one called the 350z 300 and one called the 350z 313. If the Uk's biggest and best 350z specialists can't figure out the difference between the 3 then it's time pack in. From my experience when it came to trading my HR 313 in at a dealer, they have no idea what the differences are in the models. The dealer I went to just looked at the online glasses guide and gave me the price it said. I pointed out that the price on glasses was actually for a 300 model (glasses guide didnt seem to know about the 313 model) and they just said "its 2007, so its the same". So, they gave me the 300 model price for my top spec 313 car. On the other hand, I lost count of the number of zeds on Autotrader where the dealer has listed it as a 313 model when its clearly a 300 model and so whilst I have every sympathy for the OP, as others have said id have done as much research as possible as to what the differences are and what to look out for. Sure, its easier with the HR model which I had.. 7500 rpm, facelift, bonnet bulge, dual ram air intakes. But, even so, I always spend a long long time learning about things before forking out the cash to ensure I am 100% happy with what im buying. Id definitely walk in and have a word with them to see what they say. Point out you were specifically after a 300 model and this was advertised as, however, its not so you`d like to know what they will do about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 From my experience when it came to trading my HR 313 in at a dealer, they have no idea what the differences are in the models. When we bought Caroline's Roadster I was in the showroom when I spotted it on the forecourt. I grabbed a salesman and asked him was it a GT? "I don't know" he said "What's the difference?". That was Lookers, Chester, Nissan main dealer. Pete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Any updates Matt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh350z Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I keep seeing in this thread, "should have done more research". This is really annoying me, I know people wanna play devil's advocate but this is simply not true, at all, ever. No offense intended Matt, but if a mentally handicapped person buys a car are they expected to research and know the specifics of the car?? NO Getting the specifics of the car right is 100% the dealers responsibility No if's, buts or maybes. If the car is NOT AS ADVERTISED it has been mis-sold. It makes no difference what the V5 says, it makes no difference what anything else says, if the car is not as advertised it was mis-sold. Simple. Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations Dealers must also comply with the requirements of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (2008), which prohibit them from engaging in unfair business practices across five main categories: Giving false information either verbally, visually or in writing, for example misrepresenting the vehicle's specification or history at any time before, during or after the transaction. Giving insufficient information - leaving out or hiding important information for example not disclosing the existence and results of all checks carried out on the vehicle's mechanical condition, history and mileage or failing to draw your attention to the key elements of any warranty e.g. what's covered, claim limits and conditions to be followed. Acting aggressively for example using high pressure selling techniques to sell a vehicle or associated finance or warranty. Failing to act in accordance with reasonable expectations of what's acceptable Banning outright of 31 specific practices including: falsely claiming to be a signatory to a Code of Practice; falsely claiming to be approved, endorsed or authorised by a public or private body; falsely stating that a vehicle will only be available for a very limited time in order to elicit an immediate decision to buy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'm sorry, but I disagree... Yes, the seller / dealer should be accurate... But it's your £8000! I for one am not rich enough to blow that much cash without making 100% sure I know exactly what I'm buying. At some point you, as the buyer, need to take responsibility or you find yourself in this sort of situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajh350z Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 And when you do find yourself in this situation you are protected by law. Thats why these laws are there, to protect clueless buyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I'd also like to mention that I have 100% sympathy for Matt and hope that he gets things sorted out. All I and a few others were pointing out, is that even the most basic research, however much the onus is on the salesman to be accurate, would have avoided this whole situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Matt, did you actually directly ask them if it was the revup/300bhp model? At the end of the day, this. As per the advert that was linked, it states no where the words 'Rev-Up' - For all we know, the car was mapped and reached 300bhp - That's why the dealer listed it as 300 GT. (Obviously not going to be this, but it's an example) Hopefully you did ask the dealer if it was an Rev-Up and he answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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