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Just in time for Nissan to reduce their market presence in Europe and reduce their global portfolio down to 55 models (as actually announced rather than just hinted at, by the way). May have to wait a lot longer to see one here!

I agree, I think the mirrors look better red. I'd be keeping the roof red as well if it were me, I'm not a fan of the black roof on the one pictured above.

I genuinely love that their "most trustworthy reports" links to themselves.

Good grief that is ugly! Still, on the bright side, absolute concrete evidence that the next Z will be launched shortly right there. And with a twin-turbo Spitfire engine in it too. Or something.

Agreed.

To be fair, that could apply to the SiO2 market in general though. Even an entry level coating will set you back £35 for 30ml giving 10-12 month's protection. That's ~517ml (or 2.19 pots) of Poorboys Natty's Blue wax (as a random, cheap LSP alternative for example's sake) which would last you well over a year (probably 2+) even if you reapplied every every single week. The price of coatings only goes up from there too. I appreciate it's not a direct comparison, but you see my point? I do get what you're saying, but essentially you're paying for convenience and ease of application as much as the durability, and there aren't many products that add any real protection that are easier than spray on rinse off coatings (except Bathe+, which ironically would have been a much better product for the video - also ironically the video has demonstrated a much less efficient means of application). If you put a price on the time saved applying against the cheaper product (wax, to stick with the example) you're offsetting a lot of that cost. It depends on how much you value your own time of course, but there is always a mark up on convenience. Whether it's worth it or not is a whole other can of worms!

Or, to put it into one word; incorrectly. So you agree that all the video shows is when Wet Coat is applied incorrectly it performs less favourably than a product that is applied correctly? Rhetorical question.

So just ignoring Gyeon’s own responses to that question then? Convenient. Stalemate indeed.......

On a more serious note, that sounds very much like over application - it's very easy over apply these spray on, rinse off products and/or not rinse throughly enough. Gyoen, for example, suggest ~80ml of product per (large) car, personally I think even that's a bit too much. I can get round a Z with 40-50ml with a bit of care and that'll give me 2-3 months of protection on it's own. HydrO2 and Wet Coat Essence are more tempremental though as you need to get the ratios right to get the longevity, and HydroCoat I always found to be better as a wipe on product rather than a spray on, rine off, so it very much does dpend on the product. I get what you're saying about it being a gimmick though - I'm not sure gimmick is the right word for me but for lack of a better one I'll go with that. It's not a replacement for proper protection, it's just a quick and easy top-up product, similar to hydrophobic QD's (and I'm quite vocal about my thoughts on QD's, so I totally get where you're coming from) except quicker and easier to apply to protect the underlying wax/sealant/coating a little more. I'd much rather use Wet Coat than a QD though, personally.

From the bottle itself; "Gyeon Q²M WetCoat is a spray-on, rinse-off, silica-based coating". Note that it's not a wipe on, wipe off product as it is treated in the test. Note that the test did not spray on. Note that the test did not rinse off. Two instructions, neither followed. Ergo, Wet Coat was applied incorrectly. It was also further incorrectly applied by wiping it to dry paint in the top section despite "Use Q²M WetCoat only on a wet surface" (from the bottle, from their website, from every issuance of their application guides). Take special note of the word "only". Again, applied wrong. Now before you try to argue this, again, just consider this; the manufacturer, who specificially designed the product to be applied in a specific way, states "simply spray-on and rinse-off", anyone capable of extrapolating from unstated information is capable of working out that applying in any other way is detrimental to it's performace. Otherwise they would have stated the alternative and equally effective method of application in the instructions. Yet I know you well enough to know you won't "hold your hands up" to that evidence so let me just confirm that I have personally tested applying with a dry aplicator and buffing off instead of rinsing and I can confirm is detrimental. Just to clarify, the video applies with a dry applictor and rinses off which, to summarise is detrimental to it's longevity as tested. From personal, first hand experience. I've even demonstrated that on here previously. I'm absolutly certain that you're still not going to "hold your hands up" though, so maybe some direct advice from Gyoen themselves who, just to remind you, designed and manufactur the product and who actually use the term "misuse" when discribing using the application method demonstrated in the video; I don't doubt for a second that you won't accept that either, so let's also just run through how Wet Coat actually works; the water is a carrier, it helps to ensure that the product is easily spread over a large area. So far not an issue here because it's a small area and "misusing" the product with a dry applicator is spreading it across... well, bits of that top area at least, but likely all of the bottom area. However, here comes the issue; Wet Coat is activated by the impact when rinsing - if you remember, the test didn't rinse. At all. So no impact and thus no activation. I've test and demonstrated that on here too by the way. And it's mentioned above by someone else who has tested it. And it's tested all over DW and the internet in general. Even Gyeon say it on their webiste I linked above. Thus it's is a proven fact that longevity is detrimentally affected when you don't rinse immediately with a pressure washer. Which the video test didn't. Care to put your hands up yet? No, I thought not. If you understand Wet Coat, how it's designed to work and how to actually use it, that video deomstrates nothing more than one procude that was applied more favourably outlasted another product, whilst that other product that was not applied correctly failed sooner.

We're talking about Gyeon though....... And the observation remains the same; that one product was not applied correctly and is subsequently outperformed, is not a conclusion by any means.

The top section wasn't actually.

And yet the guys that designed and manufacture it say not to do that. Look, here it is on the internet so you can ignore it so more https://gyeonquartz.com/product/wetcoat/ But hey, what would they know, right?!

Ah yes, of course. For a fair side by side, apply at least one product completely the wrong way. For fairness. Also, Megs don’t actually recommend using it that way at all; https://www.meguiars.co.uk/introducing-meguiars-hybrid-ceramic-wax/ (skip to about 3 days into the video for the application).

It would have been a better test if either product were actually applied properly, as they were designed to be applied though.

It's being investigated by the police apparently - thought to be in Sussex.

I'm sure you know this already, but Total is a cleaner akin to AG Interior Cleaner, whilst the other two are (silicone heavy) dressings so not like-for-like comparisons.

https://www.350z-uk.com/forum/51-zeds-for-sale/

Also, 1. People will have to accept that Nismo is a trim designation these days, ergo a Nismo version of this Vauxhall will merely be the exact same thing with some red paint splashed across the front end. It's highly unlikley to get a different engine but, even if it does, it certainly won't get an interesting one. And, 2. Any new Z won't be styled after this. This will be long since retired before there's a new Z.

There's a nice way to mean that?!?

Even if they’re pretty tyres?!?

You can buy them direct from the manufacturer for less than AG charge. It'll depend on how wet the car is - it is possible to get round a well protected car in one go, especially if you're able to dry the car with an open ended hose. Personally I'm not a fan of those, especially on soft paint. The "special coating" (or whatever terminology they use) just increases the risk of marring. IIRC AG even market them alongside their chamois which should indicate their target market is not detailers (sorry Attak Z!) - not that there's anything wrong with that, but marring and swirls aren't a concern (or usually even a consideration) for that market, so you pay your money...

I never got on with Perl as a tyre dressing, tbh. It works really well on trim and rubber seals, but not good on tyres in my experience. If you like a more satin finish, Gyeon Tire (sic) is nigh on impossible to beat. One coat gives a lovely satin finish, then you could add a second coat if you want more shiney. Force cured it lasts forever and keeps the tyre much cleaner than anything else I've tried too.

A considerable number of people in London rely on public transport because owning a car isn't particularly practical or, in many cases, not even possible. Many won't own a bike either because in normal life it's equally as impractical to cycle in central London unless you enjoy being intimately acquainted with the underside of a bus. There are of course exceptions to both, but when a significantly large number of people are urged to go back to work, with absolutely no thought or guidance around the logistics of such, what are the options? Don't go to work and probably get sacked? Granted, certain people have been morons in the current situation, however in this instance blaming the commuters seems as rash and ill conceived as the instruction to return to work.

With the caveat that I really don't know a huge deal about them, my concerns would be, a) finding a "good" one (my limited knowledge suggests they fall apart for fun, regularly, and aren't cheap to fix as parts aren't widely supported), and, ii) I can't really see what would drive the price of these up in much further in the next 5-7 years, given that's pretty short term. As I say, this comes with the very heavy caveat that my knowledge of them is limited (at best!).