Ekona Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Actually, we should start a new thread based on this: Gimme a sec... Quote
Aashenfox Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 (edited) 911s are notoriously marmite cars, either you get on with driving what is essentially a pendulum and learn the right technique, or you forever wonder why anyone likes them. My only Porsche experience is when I had run of a friend's boxster to keep it running while he was away for 6 months. Definitely an incredibly well balanced car that was phenomenally easy to drive fast. Doesn't help me know personally what the 911 is like to drive of course, but I consider myself a true enthusiast and I have a lot of love for Porsche. For me as a driver who simply wants the greatest challenge, a Porsche 911 Turbo is still one of my dream cars, I relish the challenge of driving it right. Going back to the (2014?) OP, yes, fitting sticky tyres does ruin the fun. It's that simple. But that's why we replace them, would you rather have easy powerslides, but end up going backwards into a hedge one day? Or unbelievable grip on demand, higher limits and less slidy-slidy? Your choice. Edited March 20, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote
Ekona Posted March 20, 2017 Posted March 20, 2017 Super-sticky semi slicks? Yes, I agree. But we're just talking about regular road tyres. In no way would a car on equivalents from Michelin and Avon be having any less fun on the Avons. They'd just be going slower on more rubbish tyres Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Hi all. Just to let you know I got the hankook ventus s1 evo2 's and really not impressed so far. Soft sidewalls mean it now feels very flighty and slow to respond, to any inputs, especially at speed. A lot worse than the p zeros that were on it! Anyone else had bad experiences with hankooks? I'm going to change them as soon as I can Quote
TT350 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Get a set of smartprice part worn tyres then go test the fun factor. Quote
Alpinaman Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Hi all. Just to let you know I got the hankook ventus s1 evo2 's and really not impressed so far. Soft sidewalls mean it now feels very flighty and slow to respond, to any inputs, especially at speed. A lot worse than the p zeros that were on it! Anyone else had bad experiences with hankooks? I'm going to change them as soon as I can How odd... Hard to find a bad review about them anywhere.. How many miles have you done on them ? Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 Hi all. Just to let you know I got the hankook ventus s1 evo2 's and really not impressed so far. Soft sidewalls mean it now feels very flighty and slow to respond, to any inputs, especially at speed. A lot worse than the p zeros that were on it! Anyone else had bad experiences with hankooks? I'm going to change them as soon as I can How odd... Hard to find a bad review about them anywhere.. How many miles have you done on them ? About 100 miles so far, pretty sure I've pulled off the greasy layer now. They stick like glue with traction control off (?) , but with it on it restricts so much I don't really know why (its not losing traction). The characteristics of the car have completely changed and I've only changed rears, I've lost so much confidence with it Quote
brillomaster Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 i put the s1 evo 2s on the rear of my 350z, and it was definitely a softer sidewall... think i whacked the pressure up to 38 psi to try and compensate, but i did get used to them after a little while and did trust that would grip when pushed. Quote
Jetpilot Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 100 miles is nothing buddy, get some heat cycles through them and see what you think then. Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 About 100 miles so far, pretty sure I've pulled off the greasy layer now. They stick like glue with traction control off (?) , but with it on it restricts so much I don't really know why (its not losing traction). The characteristics of the car have completely changed and I've only changed rears, I've lost so much confidence with it Do you still have the old P Zeroes on the front? Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Yeah i'll see if they bed in over next few hundred miles, sorry Potenzas on the front not P-Zero. They're on the low side which is why the slip light is coming on all the time. But didn't think that'd effect the swaying effect when turning slightly at speed. Will sell the part worn I reckon soon and go back to stock tyres Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 What you're feeling it mostly the balance of the car having changed with new boots on the back. Essentially you've shifted grip rearwards by a huge margin, so you now have tons of grip on the rear which is giving you the confidence to lean on them, but the fronts now have much less grip in comparison to before so you're feeling the horrible effects of understeer. Changing the fronts to match the rears will cure this, and then you can decide whether or not to change from Hankooks back to something else. Definitely worth exploring tyre pressures though, as has been said they will benefit massively from a couple of psi over standard pressures. Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 I'd have thought that in the dry, it'd be the opposite? As nearer slicks are more grippy? Or is it down to the newer tyre being softer (as its newer)? I'm certainly going to find a tougher sidewall next, mpss or back to the originals as that's what the Z's were tuned for I guess. Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Proper racing slicks are grippy, road tyres that are worn down to slicks are utterly useless New tyres have more tread, and that's what gives the vast majority of the grip. Easy as that. No point buying the RE050A any more, not when you can get MPS4S for the 370. Well, unless you're really felt very happy on the 050As, as they're certainly decent enough tyres. Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Would you recommend the mpss and mps4s over the standard then? Even if I run with the stock 050As on the front for a while first? (eventually I'll change the front two to match) Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 MPS4S are better than the MPS4, which are better than the MPSS, which are better than the 050A. Given you're already running mismatched, you might as well go all in and get the best you can How much is left on the fronts btw? Generally you should be changing tyres at 3mm, don't leave it until you hit the 1.6mm wear markers. Quote
Steelbeans Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Ok cheers for the advice. I think I'm somewhere near 3, so won't be long before changing. Want to sort the rears first! Quote
bigjackb Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 So it's tyre time for my 370 nismo however I'm wondering what to put on. Choice is either mpss all round or mps4s on rear and mps4 on front as Michelin don't make mps4s in the correct sizes. Thoughts? Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 MPS4 all round not an option? Would be better. Quote
bigjackb Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Unfortunately not fronts are 245/40/19 and rears 285/35/19. Other 19" sizes are due to be released but not until 2018. Quote
Ekona Posted April 16, 2017 Posted April 16, 2017 Go MPS4S and 245/35/19 with 295/30/19, job done. Both about 3 and a bit percent smaller than stock, will balance each other out and not cause you any TCS issues. Quote
docwra Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 MPS4 all round not an option? Would be better. MPS4S maybe, where you heard that the MPS4 is better though, I read its less performance focused than the MPSS was. Also, pressures are just as important as compound, this should probably be incorporated into the future 350Z-uk tyre advice/paranoia Quote
Ekona Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Speaking to Center Gravity, who I trust almost implicitly. The MPS4 is a multi-compound tyre which gives similar benefits as the MPSC2/MPS4S rather than the dual-compound MPSS. I queried it with them too, but they reckon the MPS4 are definitely better than the MPSS, even on track. 1 Quote
nissanman312 Posted April 19, 2017 Posted April 19, 2017 Speaking to Center Gravity, who I trust almost implicitly. The MPS4 is a multi-compound tyre which gives similar benefits as the MPSC2/MPS4S rather than the dual-compound MPSS. I queried it with them too, but they reckon the MPS4 are definitely better than the MPSS, even on track. I'm in centre gravity on Friday for a full day I can't wait to see what they do for my car Also on Bridgestones for now untill they are worn out then I'll go with the new Michelin Quote
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