Mrdeli Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Just wondering whether anyone has thought on whats ahead for road tax. I am wondering whether the present lower tax rates of pre 2006 cars is likely to end soon-ish - i have found the text below. Anyone any ideas??? If it's going to go up then I guess I'd be more inclined to by maybe an 07 or 08 model. I would also imagine that it would pretty much knock pre 06 model prices a fair bit. Thanks for any input.. Regards Mark The Chancellor pegged the increase in Vehicle Excise Duty (Road Tax) for 2012/13 to inflation, but this could be the last year that goes by without significant reform. Buried in the main Budget document is an admission that as emissions have come down, so too has the amount of tax that the Government is collecting. It also proposes to investigate the option of allowing car owners to pay for road tax by Direct Debit. "1.206 The Government will consider whether to reform VED over the medium term, to ensure that all motorists continue to make a fair contribution to the sustainability of the public ï¬nances, and to reflect continuing improvements in vehicle fuel efï¬ciency. In addition, the Government aims to develop a direct debit system to allow motorists to spread their VED payments. The Government will seek the views of motoring groups on these measures." It also contains a paragraph that shows that the grace period for displaying a road tax disc will be extended to save on postage costs: "2.149 VED: tax disc display waiver – The Government will reduce tax disc postage costs by extending to fourteen days the grace period, following the payment of tax, on the non-display of a tax disc in a vehicle. (Finance Bill 2013)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Why dont they tax cows methane output FFS? they produce more Co2 than all the car lorries bikes combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 it makes more sense to tax for useage not engine size. i have a big 4 litre V8 but do less than 9000 miles a year. compared to a 2.0 eco car doing 25000 a year. just have a get out clause for lorry drivers to keep their costs down. and if they do that they should wack the tax right up, but scrap VAT on fuel. so those that use the roads most pay the most and those who don't pay less. seems fair to me. instead of taxing the crap out of everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 it makes more sense to tax for useage not engine size. i have a big 4 litre V8 but do less than 9000 miles a year. compared to a 2.0 eco car doing 25000 a year. just have a get out clause for lorry drivers to keep their costs down. and if they do that they should wack the tax right up, but scrap VAT on fuel. so those that use the roads most pay the most and those who don't pay less. seems fair to me. instead of taxing the crap out of everyone surely on that basis, they should drop road tax altogether and just hit fuel ie those that use the roads most pay the most depending on consumption obviously - not sure how they relieve lorries though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyjason Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 They are considering scrapping road tax altogether as the projection is , too many cars will come under the low emissions limit to be taxed, so they are revising how we are going to be taxed, most likely with road tolls and higher fuel tax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdeli Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 Yes if they just banged it all on fuel that would seem much more fair - it would also make a much better case for having a gas guzzling second car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watshot Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Exactly. Tax on fuel is the only way to be fair. It's directly proportional to the vehicle you choose to drive, the way you drive it and the miles you cover. (just cut the bloody fuel duty first before it swallows up the road tax). Haulage would be handled under the business use etc to get whatever benefits are due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I completely agree about scrapping it and adding it to the fuel. If they took an average of 10k a year, they would only have to add 15p per liter to make up what we pay in tax each year for the pre facelift at an estimated 25mpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 It's going to keep on going up. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool as it's a cracking little money earner and if they did dump the lot onto fuel then they'd instantly become the least popular government ever. I expect to be paying over £500 for the tax on the 911 next year, easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 So when exactly are we planning to storm 10 Downing Street and the Houses Of Parliament to kill all the politicians, especially those who have been abusing their positions for personal gain and forgetting who they are supposed to be representing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 it makes more sense to tax for useage not engine size. i have a big 4 litre V8 but do less than 9000 miles a year. compared to a 2.0 eco car doing 25000 a year. just have a get out clause for lorry drivers to keep their costs down. and if they do that they should wack the tax right up, but scrap VAT on fuel. so those that use the roads most pay the most and those who don't pay less. seems fair to me. instead of taxing the crap out of everyone Makes sense Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Road Tax is a but stupid when it is not mileage related, there should be a standard nominal amount for putting the vehicle on the road then a charge at the end of the year based on mileage but then it would make the process more difficult as it would have to be verified.... Ditch it and increase fuel duty makes sense but would be massively unpopular even though it would be much fairer Too sensible so will NEVER happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyjason Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 it would be much easier to stop handing out benefits to every one who asks, but nice of the EU to tell immigrants to come to the easy living isles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter10 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 It's going to keep on going up. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool as it's a cracking little money earner and if they did dump the lot onto fuel then they'd instantly become the least popular government ever. I expect to be paying over £500 for the tax on the 911 next year, easy. Agreed. I've already said if the price for my road tax on my HR 350z which already sits at £460, I'll be selling it soon later to be replaced by a BMW 135i, good value for a 3.0l, twin turbo car with over 300bhp all for £250 a year tax. Would be stupid not to really, I love my car, but after having my day off this year cancelled 6 days before Japfest, I doubt I will be attending any more shows in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyjason Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 thats sad isnt it, i do think the 135 is a great car, but it hasnt the character or presence of a 350, having a car of character won't be a choice for us mortals in the near future, unless your an immigrant packed into a house, where council tax favours the masses in one place....i'll stop my rant...for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What happens when electric cars do become the norm? Once the issue with batteries and range etc are sorted, as they will be when technology advances. Has the government thought that far ahead? What of the CO2 bandings then? What of the C charge in London etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taffyjason Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 thats why i said they are considering other ideas liek road tolls and black boxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisS Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Exactly. Tax on fuel is the only way to be fair. It's directly proportional to the vehicle you choose to drive, the way you drive it and the miles you cover. (just cut the bloody fuel duty first before it swallows up the road tax). Haulage would be handled under the business use etc to get whatever benefits are due. Had this conversation with my dad............... 40 years ago. Not sure about fuel duty then but petrol was............33 pence a gallon. Yes a GALLON. And they say prices double every 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rish Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Fuel duty bollocks. Everything is a bloody rip off and most governments in western Europe keen to push motorists on to public transport. Problem is, public transport in England is expensive at best and shite at worst. Meh. Oh and petrol is about $4 something in the US. WTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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