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  1. with regards to the xenaphobia and racisim, its always been there, I deal as a teacher and have done over the last 13 years issues with anti sematism, anti black and anti asian issues. it is infrequent and i have seen it over 4 schools and all are graded outstanding. there has always been unpleasant undertones in our society, but they are the minority and will go back under their rocks once this has settled.
  2. On the understanding of oil and its economic taxation as discussed above i can be honest and say " I know Nothing" so over these aspects i can't comment, But both G and Chesterfield seem to understand it and it is making for interesting reading Everyday is a school day with regards to the xenaphobia and racisim, its always been there, I deal as a teacher and have done over the last 13 years issues with anti sematism, anti black and anti asian issues. it is infrequent and i have seen it over 4 schools and all are graded outstanding. there has always been unpleasant undertones in our society, but they are the minority and will go back under their rocks once this has settled.
  3. I daren't mention it at work, seems the majority of teachers were remainers and apparently devastated over the vote. I've heard the words, angry livid and mortified.
  4. I'm not a young voter nor am I old. But the young voice not being heard has to be partly put at the feet of the young. With only about 30% turnout those that feel deflated should be looking at the 70% who didn't bother. My students have been discussing this and any that voted out. Have been lambasted by their peers. And surprisingly higher amount at least in my area voted leave. With regards to the racism stance I find it ironic that the remain voters can keep a straight face when they wanted to stay in a system that promoted free movement, but was building fences and closing borders, gassing migrants and refugees at borders. Not only that they have been making deals with turkey to ship them all back to turkey and pay turkey to keep them there. Yes that sounds like the model system to me. It must be a long way up on some peoples moral high horses. Maybe they can't see all the facts as clearly. And if you thought we would have any sway in that, they have no interest in letting people in. They're just hoping they'll all get bored and go home from turkey.
  5. 907/23,093 = 3.92% i think that makes me an absolute Cupid Stunt
  6. I've seen this several times before and everytime i see it i find it incredibly narrow visioned and full of errors, i couldn't help my self and have added comments in blue
  7. to argue the amount of voters wasn't large enough or the % difference isn't big enough is odd, we've been seeing voter turnout at general elections as low as 40% for years, of which the winning party is made of just half that at best. means we have for years happily been voting in a controlling body that only 20% of the population actually voted for. and now we have a turnout of 75% of which half then voted to leave would suggest a far more accurate vote more representative of the populous than in the past. If we're going to discuss voting turnout as a key point then it needs to be changed in government and from that point on all votes and elections should be a compulsory turnout, but the option for "none of the above" should be on the voting slip.
  8. the french have been trying for decades to get the EU language to be primarily french a 2nd referendum wouldn't surprise me, i think for a lot of people even in the remain camp wanted a leave vote in order to see if they could get better terms. i think when they get close to what they want, they'll either have a 2nd vote or just overturn it in the commons and put us in. if sturgeon had stayed onboard for now at least to see what they could push for they'd be in a better position, but shes just undermining things at the moment. its about putting the pressure back on the EU. As Chesterfield said its about who blinks first. at the last negotiations we had no leverage nothing to play with, Cameron knew it at the time its why we got bog all. now if we let them sweat for a bit and then go back to the table, and the leverage we now have is the possibility to destabilise the EU or even unravel it, they are going to sit up and take far more notice. and if we don't we go anyway. its one hell of a gamble, but could see something happen that keeps all parties moderately happy.
  9. but I wonder what will be part of the deal for Scotland to join the EU, I have a feeling they will have to adopt the Euro, they'll be modelled on the irish, if that's a positive or a negative I don't know and at this point with the risk attatched to the Sterling would swapping to a Eruo for Scotland be a good thing?
  10. I voted on economic reasons, i envisioned a future over a much longer term that saw us safer out than in. i am also not stupid enough to think that it was going to be walk in the park getting there. I am fully aware that it will be peoples jobs and homes on the line in what will be a tough time getting there. my mortgage is at as much risk as everybody else. it wasn't a decision i took lightly and now think "woopi lets fudge the country up" i also think it will take us about 10 years to get to where we need to be, but possibly start to see the turn after 5 years. I'm also early 30's i'm in it for the long haul, initiating brexit now i think is a bad move, Europe needs to start feeling the burn before they'll negotiate with any kind of fairness. there needs to be other countries applying the same pressure. I think plans won't get off the ground until next year. i think we still have to get out the way, tory leadership battle, labour leadership battle, reshuffle of parties and then a general election before christmas. After that i think we'll be in a posistion to start properly; around spring time, at which point other countries may well be doing their own referendum
  11. I honestly think (I know i'm shortening this to a base level to make it easier to explain and I don't believe it is that simple) this has got to be played out like a game of poker, from the start before the out vote was confirmed and the last 12 months of run up has been one large version of call my bluff. with the EU basically calling us out to see if we mean it. with no real intenetion of making any change. whats shocked them is we just pulled out a hell mary pass. and it needs to be played out. its all a waste if we just fold and do what they want. the whole fact that there is a mass of uncertainty is part of its advantage. the fact we voted this way has already started the ball rolling of them having to inact change. something we could never have done if we'd stayed at the table. what they also have to deal with is that there are going to be more cards on the table soon, no gaurentees but several others could be pushing for a referendum, if the EU think there is enough risk that they'll come unstuck it could change the negotiation table. I still don't think we'll leave, I think they'll be some shinanigans in parliament and they'll hold a vote, they'll all vote to stay and we'll end up staying. but hopefully by that point it gives the EU the nudge to change it needed. if of course we do leave it might give us the leverage to get the deals we want/need. if we just left no arguments then the proposed Norway model etc is exactly what we'll get. if we roll over straight away it gives the EU time to regroup in order to deal with the next few issues. if we were to leave slowly take our time; yes it will have an economical hurt in the short term but it could mean that in the spring the EU is fire fighting on multiple fronts a quick and easy deal would be far more appealing. I don't know if this is the plan, but it makes no sense to come out and directly say just that, its like playing a "boris" play dumb but actually be pretty switched on with your end goal. its a major gamble which could have horrific fallout if it goes the wrong way, but if played out and timed well could see things not as bad as people think. I should add at no point do I think it will be easy or without sacrifice. I've been through financial hardship I wouldn't want to again and my job in the public sector is probably high risk if it all goes belly up. but I weighed it up and decided it was worth the risk, I didn't take the decision lightly and my childrens future is riding on this as much as everyone elses.
  12. Daniel Hannan is very good at putting his point across, I thought a lot of what he said made sense pre the referendum; I also like Hilary Benn, I honestly think the negotiation party if there ever is one (still not convinced anyone will actually pull the trigger (I think it will get voted out in parliament once the dust has settled)) should be cross party mix of labour, conservative lib dem, greens scots etc
  13. My Australian passport makes me more appealing than a chicken nugget at a childrens fat camp.
  14. Australia used to be a keen trade partner till we snubbed them for Europe. they would be up for a new free tade agreement, but it would need to be renegotitiated, apparently they won't just allows us to take the old one out the draw and dust it off.
  15. The petition on the gov site is now past 3 million and increasing at an average of 50 votes a second. Are they hoping to get the number past that of those who goes to leave?
  16. if the bills already been paid you're going to be p1551ng into the wind on this.
  17. Some interesting points raised over the last 24 hrs. firstly; my understanding of expat/immigrant stance immigration is what you refer to as your incoming; expat is what you refer to as your outgoing. so (sorry Adrian as I use you as the example) in reference to talking about Adrian in the UK from a UK perspective he would technically be classed as a migrant/immigrant. if people in Romania were talking about the success of their kin abroad they would refer to him as a Romanian Expat. personally I don't refer to individuals as immigrants etc as I see them as people; Adrian is Adrian regardless of the country of origin; he's still a pain in the arse even if he was born here or not ;-) I find the petition for a 2nd referendum in the uk somewhat insulting, as it means 48% of people only believe in democracy as long as you vote the same way as them. a votes a vote regardless of if you like the outcome. the turnout is higher than its been in a long time, if the turnout is so critical voting should be made compulsory like it is in Australia. secondly we've been voting in leading political parties with national voting margins as low as 18% and no one has once tried to re take the election because they don't like the outcome. one of the major things the vote has thrown up is the public rejection of the current political climate; i'm no fan of the green party but caroline lucas makes an interesting point (I know she is trying to raise her own party profile) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/brexiters-voters-eu-referendum-result-proportional-voting this could the only chance we have to modernise and change the political landscape. by voting in PR. this could encourage more to vote if they know that they will be represented. and the higher chance of coalitions could leave to more balanced politics as they have to work together more. with regards to dealing with Europe, the UK only has to hold out till the French elections next spring and then we will be the least of their problems, a long with several other country elections. also not that I agree if the UK holds out and the impact starts to effect the Eurozone the EU could be more likely to be more generous in order to end the issue. with regards to Scotland leaving last time they wanted to leave the UK but keep the £ they didn't want the Euro, how likely would we be to give them that? if they leave under these circumstances would they not be forced into the Euro? if they go down this route and the Eurozone is starting to unravel; how likely are the scots going to want to leave?
  18. has everybody forgotten that this vote was in general just an opinion pole, its not legally binding, someone down the line could turn round and say, we had a think and decided its to dangerous so we're going to stay. we also haven't initiated article 50 and until we do we're still in Europe. we have 3 months of stability as everyone know nothing will happen until their is new leadership. it could be delay further with an emergency general election by Christmas, especially with the possibility of change at the top of the opposition. it may well not happen as we plan, Europe could self implode before we leave with others pulling out. it could see the EU collapse and the countries coming back together in a similar version to the EEC. so many variables so many paths it can't really be predicted. it needs people to get on with it and also let it play out. carefully moving forward without making any knee jerk reactions. Le penn could use this to force a French referendum if there is enough support the current French establishment could end up losing to le penn if she offers a referendum if she's voted in. we could see a domino effect in other EU countries, we could see the treat of no decent deals with the UK completely undermined. if the EU collapses why would Scotland leave the UK to join an imploding sun. is Scotland in a financial position to go it alone I;'m not sure the SNP wanted it this early, I don't think they're ready for it yet.
  19. am watching Netflix with the beeb in the background
  20. I find it funny watching the presenters trying to draw a picture after 4 votes. but early indications show remain not as strong as thought
  21. anyone else staying up to watch it?
  22. I'd ask to meet in the middle, because they didn't let you know before proceeding, if it was going to be 1 hour and £60 and they took 4 and want £200 i would possibly agree to settle at £100-£120. shows you understand complications can happen, but they are also responsible for not checking before going ahead.
  23. they won't do that, they'll build a 12 lane highway straight to the centre of Europe and pave it with gold
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