HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Hi all, I'm planning to purchase a set of spacers this week. I have been doing research into which size is the best. I have noticed many members have opted to go for the 20mm fronts and 25mm rear option. I was looking to go wider than that if possible... My car's suspension set-up is completely standard and she is sitting on standard 18 inch RAYS. I want to go for the largest size spacer without risking scraping the arches, looking odd and not affecting any other components/electrics/systems negatively. If you have any photos of your Zeds with standard suspension and RAYS, stating what size you've gone for, that would be great! I know there's already a thread on spacers, but I want this thread to be more specific to Zeds with standard suspension with the RAYS wheels. Many thanks for your help and advice Hassan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Your combo is the best solution. Wider than 25mm will push your wheeled passed the wheel arch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Im sure people have said the max you can go is about 27/28mm,so best bet is 25 all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 I heard it's illegal to have the tires wider than the arches, is that correct? Would that be an MOT failure? Why don't anybody go for the 25/25 combo instead of 20/25? Is there a reason why you have to have the front spacers slimmer than the rears? Considering the wheels are wider at the back, wouldn't that just make the gap between the front and rear wheel depth larger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I heard it's illegal to have the tires wider than the arches, is that correct? Would that be an MOT failure? Why don't anybody go for the 25/25 combo instead of 20/25? Is there a reason why you have to have the front spacers slimmer than the rears? Considering the wheels are wider at the back, wouldn't that just make the gap between the front and rear wheel depth larger? People have the fronts at 20 as they dont want anything to rub. You can get away with 25 but it will rub a little. And yes, having tyres that are outside the arch will fail the mot due to spray when raining. But 25 will be safe, 30 may work as well if you roll your arches over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tez162003 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 just stick with 20mm front and 25mm Rear. Will look stupid otherwise. And yes the rears are wider but wheel offsets and the size of the arches themselves have the say in whether to run staggered spacers or not. Too much "poke" with spacers looks wrong on the standard 18" rays with their chunky tyres, with the car still sat in the clouds. If you want to run them wide, you could do with lowering it a bit as well. Thats why 20 F 25 R with say a 25-30mm drop works well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 I'm actually quite restricted with regards to lowering the car, as I have to go up a slope to reverse onto my driveway. At the moment, the clearance between the bumper and the surface is a matter of 2mm's (I can't even fit my finger through). Even someone heavy sitting in the passenger seat can cause the car to scrape the ground. This is the reason I cannot lower the car otherwise that would have been the first modification I would have carried out. Would the car look odd with 25/20's on standard suspension and RAYS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 I'm actually quite restricted with regards to lowering the car, as I have to go up a slope to reverse onto my driveway. At the moment, the clearance between the bumper and the surface is a matter of 2mm's (I can't even fit my finger through). Even someone heavy sitting in the passenger seat can cause the car to scrape the ground. This is the reason I cannot lower the car otherwise that would have been the first modification I would have carried out. Would the car look odd with 25/20's on standard suspension and RAYS? nope, many people have done that same setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayd350 Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 i run on 20mm front and 25 rears and it makes such a huge difference to the look of the 350, even makes it look lower in my opinion which can only be a plus point in my book. i wanted fat and low when i bought mine and was very tempted to go for 30's on the rear and 25's on the front but settled on the above setup and i'm glad i did. Actually bought some springs at the same time to drop it but they've been gathering dust in my loft as i can't decide whether or not to fit those as it looks loads better as it is. I'm actually quite restricted with regards to lowering the car, as I have to go up a slope to reverse onto my driveway. At the moment, the clearance between the bumper and the surface is a matter of 2mm's (I can't even fit my finger through). Even someone heavy sitting in the passenger seat can cause the car to scrape the ground. This is the reason I cannot lower the car otherwise that would have been the first modification I would have carried out. Would the car look odd with 25/20's on standard suspension and RAYS? nope, many people have done that same setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 And yes, having tyres that are outside the arch will fail the mot due to spray when raining. But 25 will be safe, 30 may work as well if you roll your arches over. The regulations are something of a grey area here. As I read them, the tread of the tyre must not protrude from the widest part of the arch which on The Zed is at the top, so it's O.K to have the tyre wall sticking out. I'll take a photo of The Roadster which recently passed its MOT which illustrates how far you can go. These are obviously not standard Rays, but I've calculated the amount of protrusion is equivalent to having 27/28mm spacers on Rays. Oh yeah, standard suspension on this Zed. Here's what 25mms look like on the front once again not standard rays but will give you some idea of how much they fill the arches, bad news is that they rub on occasions. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 And yes, having tyres that are outside the arch will fail the mot due to spray when raining. But 25 will be safe, 30 may work as well if you roll your arches over. The regulations are something of a grey area here. As I read them, the tread of the tyre must not protrude from the widest part of the arch which on The Zed is at the top, so it's O.K to have the tyre wall sticking out. I'll take a photo of The Roadster which recently passed its MOT which illustrates how far you can go. These are obviously not standard Rays, but I've calculated the amount of protrusion is equivalent to having 27/28mm spacers on Rays. Oh yeah, standard suspension on this Zed. Here's what 25mms look like on the front once again not standard rays but will give you some idea of how much they fill the arches, bad news is that they rub on occasions. Pete They both look perfect in my opinion, however spacers come in increments of 5's right? That means I'll have to go for 25mm on the rear anyway... With regards to the fronts, 25mm looks very nice too but I don't want them to rub. Will the standard RAYS be least likely to rub in comparison to these wheels? But then, the standard tyres are massive!! Thanks a lot for taking the time out to post up pics! i run on 20mm front and 25 rears and it makes such a huge difference to the look of the 350, even makes it looklower in my opinion which can only be a plus point in my book. i wanted fat and low when i bought mine and was very tempted to go for 30's on the rear and 25's on the front but settled on the above setup and i'm glad i did. Actually bought some springs at the same time to drop it but they've been gathering dust in my loft as i can't decide whether or not to fit those as it looks loads better as it is. I'm actually quite restricted with regards to lowering the car, as I have to go up a slope to reverse onto my driveway. At the moment, the clearance between the bumper and the surface is a matter of 2mm's (I can't even fit my finger through). Even someone heavy sitting in the passenger seat can cause the car to scrape the ground. This is the reason I cannot lower the car otherwise that would have been the first modification I would have carried out. Would the car look odd with 25/20's on standard suspension and RAYS? nope, many people have done that same setup. I'm actually quite restricted with regards to lowering the car, as I have to go up a slope to reverse onto my driveway. At the moment, the clearance between the bumper and the surface is a matter of 2mm's (I can't even fit my finger through). Even someone heavy sitting in the passenger seat can cause the car to scrape the ground. This is the reason I cannot lower the car otherwise that would have been the first modification I would have carried out. Would the car look odd with 25/20's on standard suspension and RAYS? nope, many people have done that same setup. I reckon I will end up with the 20/25's as well if that is your experience and opinion with that set-up as a lot of others are suggesting that set-up too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 20's front, 25's rear Check my sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 They both look perfect in my opinion, however spacers come in increments of 5's right? That means I'll have to go for 25mm on the rear anyway... With regards to the fronts, 25mm looks very nice too but I don't want them to rub. Will the standard RAYS be least likely to rub in comparison to these wheels? But then, the standard tyres are massive!! I believe you can get 3mm spacers from Halfords, I'm pretty certain that Colin has these on his 370Z, so you fit the 3mm spacers on first then add the 20mm hubcentrics. As far as the tyres go, I've kept the rolling radius within 1% so there would be no difference between the arch clearance on the 20" wheels that I have on with 35 profile tyres and 18" Rays with 45 profile. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 20's front, 25's rear Check my sig. Have you got a proper side on shot with the wheels straight by any chance? Thanks! Hassan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 27, 2011 Author Share Posted June 27, 2011 They both look perfect in my opinion, however spacers come in increments of 5's right? That means I'll have to go for 25mm on the rear anyway... With regards to the fronts, 25mm looks very nice too but I don't want them to rub. Will the standard RAYS be least likely to rub in comparison to these wheels? But then, the standard tyres are massive!! I believe you can get 3mm spacers from Halfords, I'm pretty certain that Colin has these on his 370Z, so you fit the 3mm spacers on first then add the 20mm hubcentrics. As far as the tyres go, I've kept the rolling radius within 1% so there would be no difference between the arch clearance on the 20" wheels that I have on with 35 profile tyres and 18" Rays with 45 profile. Pete Ah that makes sense! Good thinking Isn't fitting 2 sets of spacers on one hub a bit dangerous? Won't a lot of the stress transfer onto the 3mm spacer? How much is this 3mm Halfords spacer? Thanks, Hassan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted June 27, 2011 Share Posted June 27, 2011 Isn't fitting 2 sets of spacers on one hub a bit dangerous? Won't a lot of the stress transfer onto the 3mm spacer? How much is this 3mm Halfords spacer? Thanks, Hassan Yeah, thought about that, but as long as you torque them on properly then I don't see a problem with fitting 3mms plus 20mms as long as you don't fit the 3mm ones on top of the 20mm spacers. Anything bigger than 5mms could possibly cause more stress as you can't get enough turns on the wheel nuts and you need 9 turns (I think). Not sure of the exact price somewhere in the £10-15 range I would imagine. EDIT...£14.99 on Halfords Website Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Isn't fitting 2 sets of spacers on one hub a bit dangerous? Won't a lot of the stress transfer onto the 3mm spacer? How much is this 3mm Halfords spacer? Thanks, Hassan Yeah, thought about that, but as long as you torque them on properly then I don't see a problem with fitting 3mms plus 20mms as long as you don't fit the 3mm ones on top of the 20mm spacers. Anything bigger than 5mms could possibly cause more stress as you can't get enough turns on the wheel nuts and you need 9 turns (I think). Not sure of the exact price somewhere in the £10-15 range I would imagine. EDIT...£14.99 on Halfords Website Pete Thank you for looking into this for me...appreciate it! I've ordered a set of spacers, I'll be fitting them on this weekend. I will see how they look. If there is more room, I will add the Halfords spacers on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I've ordered a set of spacers from Eibach directly, I'll be fitting them on this weekend. I will see how they look. If there is more room, I will add the Halfords spacers on I'd be interested to know how much they cost direct compared to through the traders on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 I've ordered a set of spacers, I'll be fitting them on this weekend. I will see how they look. If there is more room, I will add the Halfords spacers on I'd be interested to know how much they cost direct compared to through the traders on here. Not much difference to be fair Trader's products are very competitively priced on this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted June 29, 2011 Author Share Posted June 29, 2011 Received my 25/20 spacers today! Roll on Saturday! There's a CD in each box, I wonder what they're for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 My 25's arrived last week from ZMANALEX Not had the opperchancety to put them on yet Probably do it tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar-s Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 did you fit these spacers? if so any chance of some pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HassanZ Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 did you fit these spacers? if so any chance of some pics? Hi mate, Sorry I just realised you posted on this thread! It's difficult to compare as I don't have before and after pics from exactly the same angle. Also I got the rear Nismo spats fitted at the same time as the spacers which doesn't help compare. I haven't got before and after photos from the side of the car to show a clear difference, I'm sure another member will be able to help with this as there are plenty of members on here who have the RAYS wheels with standard suspension and 20/25mm spacers. If you look at the before and after photos of the rear of the car, you'll notice in the after photo that the rear wheels are visible from sides of the car, giving the Zed a 'wider' look. If I can provide any further assistance please let me know. Pics are attached: After: Before: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Might stick some spacer s on mine now but can't get 20 I think. My car is too low. What is the lowest you can go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWTech Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 20mm shouldnt rub on the arches even if it is lowered. a number of customers with lowered cars have purchased the spacers i do and the only ones to report slight rubbing on a lowered car was the 25mm. lowest bolt on spacers i can do you are 15mm let me know if i can help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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