Demolition49 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Who has the most powerful NA car here? Obviously comparing the same engine types... I.E 02-06 with 02-06 06 with 06 07+ with 07+ UPDATE - Without changing internals + Changed Internals figures would be nice to have aswell... Please provide Dyno Sheets. The list So far: 1-Greekman 282.7WHP - VQ35HR 2-Mr Lizard 278WHP - VQ35DE revup 3-Dcash 274.4WHP - VQ35DE JDM 4-3FIDDY 272.2WHP - VQ35DE 5-GT4 Zed 270.1WHP - VQ35DE revup 6-Andlid 265.4 WHP - VQ35DE 7-Jcor 263.8WHP - VQ35HR (no mods) 8-Clazba 262WHP - VQ35DE JDM 9-Rich5259 257.8WHP -VQ35DE (No mods) 10-Bladesgrant 252.6 - VQ35DE 11-rdsprint 252.5 - VQ35DE revup (no mods) 12-IanS16 251.9WHP - VQ35DE JDM 13-Lincolnbagie 250WHP -VQ35DE 14-Pingu2 249.3 - VQ35DE 15-Ian 246.5WHP - VQ35DE 16-Toon Chris 242.3WHP - VQ35DE 17-Ekona 242WHP - VQ35DE revup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Highest genuine numbers for a MY03 has to be Adam@Z1. It also has to be the best sounding car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNABASHED Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Highest genuine numbers for a MY03 has to be Adam@Z1. It also has to be the best sounding car! Linky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz0 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Yes, do tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Here you go Forged internals, 268cams and all the usual serious intale and exhaust mods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 NA car here = Europe ? NA car = Not changed internals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This is a spec I had from his car (cant remember when though, probably not up to date any more), when it was at 320WHP - and its NA Internals: Weisco Pistons (.020 over stock) Eagle rods ARP rod bolts Fully balanced and blueprinted - not only balanced as individual components, but also balanced as a rotating assembly OE Nissan bearings Full Ported and polished heads 5 angle valve job (stock Nissan valves) Tomei 268 cams (268 duration, 10.5mm lift) NISMO valvesprings NISMO headgaskets Lots of time spent porting stock, non rev up lower plenum -we logged over 100 hours between the heads and plenum, going off recommendations from MCR Japan, as well as things we found on our own. Motordyne 1/4 inch spacer Unorthodox underdriven crank pulley New: water pump, rev up oil pump, idler pullies (OEM) Final Compression checked in at 11.3:1 Misc Power Stuff: Gruppe-M Carbon intake 3 inch MAF housing Crawford headers HKS DLI II NGK Iridium Plugs (LFR6AIX-11_ Sun Hyper Ground Fujitsubo Y pipe Fujitsubo Legalis R Titanium exhaust Resonated test pipes Drivetrain: OS Giken Super Single Clutch/Flywheel with Aluminum cover 3.9 final drive Cusco RS LSD NISMO finned diff cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 A link to his build thread http://my350z.com/forum/na-builds/28476 ... -nuts.html Its a long read but its well worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLizard Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 In Europe I suspect RJN will have it at 400bhp but thats a fully built engine worth £20k In order to be competetive in britcar/gtcup i ill need to get more power out of mine which 'power V weight' cant be too bad at the moment, will be letting abbey loose nearer the end of the year on that one. tony has some good ideas as it will need to be reliable, all will be documented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz0 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This is a spec I had from his car (cant remember when though, probably not up to date any more), when it was at 320WHP - and its NA Internals: Weisco Pistons (.020 over stock) Eagle rods ARP rod bolts Fully balanced and blueprinted - not only balanced as individual components, but also balanced as a rotating assembly OE Nissan bearings Full Ported and polished heads 5 angle valve job (stock Nissan valves) Tomei 268 cams (268 duration, 10.5mm lift) NISMO valvesprings NISMO headgaskets Lots of time spent porting stock, non rev up lower plenum -we logged over 100 hours between the heads and plenum, going off recommendations from MCR Japan, as well as things we found on our own. Motordyne 1/4 inch spacer Unorthodox underdriven crank pulley New: water pump, rev up oil pump, idler pullies (OEM) Final Compression checked in at 11.3:1 Misc Power Stuff: Gruppe-M Carbon intake 3 inch MAF housing Crawford headers HKS DLI II NGK Iridium Plugs (LFR6AIX-11_ Sun Hyper Ground Fujitsubo Y pipe Fujitsubo Legalis R Titanium exhaust Resonated test pipes Drivetrain: OS Giken Super Single Clutch/Flywheel with Aluminum cover 3.9 final drive Cusco RS LSD NISMO finned diff cover Best sounding zed I've heard. That list looks costly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 In Europe I suspect RJN will have it at 400bhp but thats a fully built engine worth £20k In order to be competetive in britcar/gtcup i ill need to get more power out of mine which 'power V weight' cant be too bad at the moment, will be letting abbey loose nearer the end of the year on that one. tony has some good ideas as it will need to be reliable, all will be documented. does it need to be a VQ engine? What can you do with it? wooohooo HR engine 4 sure... what else? ah go on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Yes but the way Adams car will drive will be greatly different to someone who has gone FI. It will rev much much quicker and generally be more responsive. Its not all about headline figures as we always say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam@Z1auto.com Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! cost isn't as bad as one would think for that list - though it did cost a fair amount, I've done it over time, engine wise since 2006 (winter) when we started the build, and completed it in summer 2007. So, it's amortized over time, as money/time allowed. I have owned many FI cars in the past, and had never done a full NA setup, and since I utterly love my Z, I just wanted to try something new and learn in the process. Overall, out of all the cars I've owned/modded and still own, this is my favorite. I absolutely adore it! currently, lots of changes have been made from that setup Cosworth manifold Haltech with Racepak dash converted to throttle cable from drive by wire, using 75mm throttle body larger intake setup (custom, though we'll be making changes in the future) new pumpkin with Quaife LSD and custom 4.3 final drive Peak power went up a few, peak torque went up about 10 ft lbs now from before thanks to VTC mapping (which we were not previously able to do on the UTEC) As for the supercharged cars, I can easily walk away from one...literally. The s/c kits on a Z work great - HKS, Vortech, etc. Easy to fit, work great on a stock engine, reliable, and put down nice power. However, these are on stock engines, so max rpm is limited to stock redline. My car redlines currently at 8400, and makes power all the way to the end. Torque stays nearly flat to 8k where it now trails off just slightly at redline. So, while the Vortech etc car makes a higher peak number, I have nearly 2000 rpm more, per gear, of peak power available to me. Coupled with the shorter final drive gears (previously 3.9, now 4.3) and the car has that power at immediate disposal, without any "spool' time (the Vortech kit in particular tends to make its power higher in the rev range, HKS is more of a mid range setup). The car is more akin to driving a GT3 now in terms of how/where it makes it's power, than it is a Zed There are some changes we plan in the future as well to try to eek a bit more power out of her. The next step really would be a more dramatic cam, and possibly a different header, though I really want to just explore the limits of the current setup as I've very happy with the overall performance, and it's been spot on reliable now (15k miles and counting) As for the highest NA power without doing internals, the 07 + will always make more than the previous cars due simply to better overall internals, more aggressive cams, etc. Peak power on a DE (revup or non) is realistically limited to around 280 whp on a dynojet (other dynos may read differently, lot's of variables involved) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Yes but the way Adams car will drive will be greatly different to someone who has gone FI. It will rev much much quicker and generally be more responsive. Its not all about headline figures as we always say very true but I know which one I'd prefer, must be an FI head any keep this thread on track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz0 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Yes but the way Adams car will drive will be greatly different to someone who has gone FI. It will rev much much quicker and generally be more responsive. Its not all about headline figures as we always say very true but I know which one I'd prefer, must be an FI head any keep this thread on track After seeing Adams car, I'm thinking id rather have his than a SC, is that strange? Man that's impressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Yes but the way Adams car will drive will be greatly different to someone who has gone FI. It will rev much much quicker and generally be more responsive. Its not all about headline figures as we always say very true but I know which one I'd prefer, must be an FI head any keep this thread on track After seeing Adams car, I'm thinking id rather have his than a SC, is that strange? Man that's impressive! Not at all as I said, best sounding Zed possibly in the world for me. Adam did keep us updated and the car is exactly what he wanted. Modding is individual and I'm sure Adam said 'anyone can bolt on an SC or turbo kit' I LOVE his style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I think RJN also have NA race engines for sale that will make 450HP if you wanted. GTM also sell a complete race engine with 400HP But the fontana nissan race car takes the biscuit at 470Hp/335lbft (albeit its a 3.8L DE cosworth stroker) I still think Adam's car has the best balance in the real world and i would rather that too over a non forged FI build. But a forged built SC will win my vote any day over a built TT Links to fontana: https://www.fontananissanracing.com/Chassis_Build.html https://www.fontananissanracing.com/Body_Build.html https://www.fontananissanracing.com/Eng ... art_1.html https://www.fontananissanracing.com/Eng ... art_2.html https://www.fontananissanracing.com/Eng ... art_3.html https://www.fontananissanracing.com/350 ... nsion.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookiemonster Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 just imagine the cost of that... and now someone (wizard) sits with SC doing MORE power then that once fitted! Yes but the way Adams car will drive will be greatly different to someone who has gone FI. It will rev much much quicker and generally be more responsive. Its not all about headline figures as we always say very true but I know which one I'd prefer, must be an FI head any keep this thread on track I think the OP likes discussions anyway, is this going to be another of his threads locked But just to dispute i would rather Adams over FI, the way that thing must pull would be insane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'd have Adam's car any day of the week over FI, I just feel the delivery and driveability would be so much nicer than FI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Do we have any figures for any NA cars as per the opening post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ok back on topic, do we have a NA list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Demolition! as being the OP start editing the first porst, Andlid > 265.4 whp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition49 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Share Posted June 16, 2010 Done Oh look anders your No1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 NA car here = Europe ? 350Z-uk.comNA car = Not changed internals? Still NA with changed internals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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