Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) New renderings just came out. It's still no FT-1, but a hell of a lot better looking than we thought from the spy shots... Ugly Spy Shots: Sexy Renderings: Edited January 30, 2017 by Strudul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 It's still ugly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Front needs work, but apart from being too squished (needing to be longer / wider / lower) I think it looks quite good from the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Agree with Lexx, why go to the bother of putting together/building the Ft1, which was stunning and end up with that, real shame, mind you, still a million times better than those recent new z renderings. Edited January 30, 2017 by Jetpilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Isn't that the case with pretty much every concept car ever? They never look as good when the real thing comes about. Edited January 30, 2017 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Some still look just as good, even if slightly different, thats just flat out dissapointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Well I guess in their defence, the FT-1 was never marketed as a Supra concept, we just labelled it as one. The new Supra just takes design cues from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Considering how crap the GT-R concept looked, I guess there is still hope... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Still ugly and from Toyotas point of view, why bother with the Ft1, when they can obviously do much much better and the gtr has always been ugly, concept or production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) Concept cars are there to demonstrate the capability of the manufacturer for publicity and research purposes. However, for various reasons (such as productions costs, viability, and having to adhere to laws / regulations) they often can't become a reality in the same form. They could make it like the FT-1, but it would be for a different target market due to a higher price and reduced practicality. As amazing as it looks, if they increase the price to match those of more prestigious brands, it won't sell well, as people spending that money would rather say they own a Porsche than a Toyota. Edited January 30, 2017 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Headlights look s***e but I like the rest if it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) From the camo pics I've commented on within another post somewhere on here, it genuinely looks too stumpy, not the long bonnet sleek concept look. It also seems to have that high 'fender' thing above the front arch, like the new Mazda MX5 has... makes it all frumpy and ...crap lol They need to lower that damn engine... or get a bulge on the go Edited January 30, 2017 by AMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 If it's the same car underneath as the BMW offering, then you'd be better off with the German as we know the interior will be a nice place to be, and I suspect it'll lose less on the depreciation as well. All irrelevant really given the price tag these things are going to come out at! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 From the camo pics I've commented on within another post somewhere on here, it genuinely looks too stumpy, not the long bonnet sleek concept look. It also seems to have that high 'fender' thing above the front arch, like the new Mazda MX5 has... makes it all frumpy and ...crap lol They need to lower that damn engine... or get a bulge on the go That'll be the "What car after a 370Z" thread which I kinda sorta maybe hijacked If it's the same car underneath as the BMW offering, then you'd be better off with the German as we know the interior will be a nice place to be, and I suspect it'll lose less on the depreciation as well. All irrelevant really given the price tag these things are going to come out at! Considering the price (which is supposedly higher than a Vette), I'd have thought we could expect Lexus levels of interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattross1313 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Isn't that the case with pretty much every concept car ever? They never look as good when the real thing comes about. If the new Toyota (and Z) production cars are going to look 'worse' than these concepts there's no hope! Both concepts look awful IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 i think it looks a little like an ugly Z4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 They could make it like the FT-1, but it would be for a different target market due to a higher price and reduced practicality. Enlighten me, why is it going to cost more to make it look like the Ft1? I seem to remember the Supra costing £45-£50k in 93, that was a lot of money and pitching alongside cars of a much higher pedigree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Its worth watching Apex on Netflix, they talk about hypercar development on there (and A Faster Horse) and talk about concept cars, how they are literally undriveable, that they are there to create wow/interest rather than show a real design. For the camo above, they could also be just testing the chassis, the bodywork could be very early stages for all we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Strudul Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Enlighten me, why is it going to cost more to make it look like the Ft1? I seem to remember the Supra costing £45-£50k in 93, that was a lot of money and pitching alongside cars of a much higher pedigree. Why does any car cost more... Harder to produce and high design / development costs - costs which, unlike mass produced cars, aren't offset due to the low production volumes. Sure they could mass produce it, but as i said, the target market for an FT-1 is tiny in comparison. Some of us would be happy living with it, but the majority don't want a car that is hard to live with (won't go over speed bumps, won't fit in parking spaces, almost too big for the road, hell in traffic). That's before you start worrying about making it pedestrian safe... Edited January 31, 2017 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Enlighten me, why is it going to cost more to make it look like the Ft1? I seem to remember the Supra costing £45-£50k in 93, that was a lot of money and pitching alongside cars of a much higher pedigree. Why does any car cost more Drivetrain, 2.0 ltr turbo or v8 etc etc materials, carbon, leather or usual jdm plastics, body shape is largely irrelevant and its already been developed, moulds will have been made and used. Guessing you havent driven many modern high performance cars, they have zero issues of parking, speed bumps, too big for the road etc and all are pedestrian safe. The gtr manages to take on the german marques without issue, why not Toyota, particularly if it looked like the Ft1, thats the target market. Anyway, I couldnt afford one but wouldnt be spending my 60 or 70k if i had it looking like your link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'd rather a late MKIV and tune it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 There havent been many cars to come out of Japan that were ahead of their time, difficult to think the mk4 was released in 93, pretty stunning, Rx7 was another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I seem to remember the Supra costing £45-£50k in 93, that was a lot of money and pitching alongside cars of a much higher pedigree. £50K in '93 would be £93K today, adjusted for inflation. I'd expect that to be about right. I don't know where BMW will pitch their version, given the i8 exists at close to that price point. However, no-one in their right mind will pay £90K for a Toyota. Tbh, I can't see anyone paying £50K for a Toyota! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattross1313 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 However, no-one in their right mind will pay £90K for a Toyota. I think it all depends on the tech and power it comes with. People pay £80k+ for a Nissan's And people are now paying £150k for a Honda (Yes it is a different league of car and technology, but its still a Honda!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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