Rich260 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hi all, I'm new to the forum and new to 350Z's but not to a bit of detailing I have just purchased my first Z in black and I love it! However having gone from a Titan silver BMW which seemed to hide a multitude of sins to a black car has it's issues! I'm struggling to get the same level of finish I had with the silver, specifically the longevity of it... The first time it rains, the paint shows water marks and genral grime straight away. Has any one tried the above product? If there sales pitch is to be believed, this wax had been "specially formulated" for black paint (as the name may suggest). I've just ordered a pot as my usual AG HD doesn't quite seem to cut it but it would be great to hear if any one on the forum has experence with the chemical guys stuff Cheers, rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 check out illogicals posts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Most of their solvent products are pretty good, I use a few of them on occasion. However, waxes for colours is marketing horse manure. Don't forget that a wax is an LSP, so is designed to protect. AGHD should be fine on a 350 if you've been happy with it on the BMW, but how much prep work have you done to the paint before using it? Black can be a nightmare, but I've always found that if its been corrected as much as possible then the LSP lasts longer. I prefer DJSN as my wax of choice, however I have used FK1000P before as well which lasts for aaaaaaaaaages. Right now I'm trialling Envy FA, on the Clio and the BMW, just to see how long it lasts. So far, it's outperforming anything else I've used in terms of beading and ease of cleaning. Not cheap, and maybe not what you're after, but I love it. So yeah, DJSN for me. I prefer it to the £120 pot of Swissvax I've still got floating around... Edited October 4, 2015 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Strangely I'm using Envy's FA as well - christ thats quick and easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Really is, isn't? I can see it becoming my go-to product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 check out illogicals posts Wow. This guy has taken it wayyy beyond any thing I have ever done! Thanks for pointing that out, I'll give that an in depth read Hi Ekona, so far the car has had the same treatment as the BMW, all be it only the once as I've only had her a couple of weeks. My usial prep (body work only) would be; Pre rince Snow foam Wash with AG shampoo Dry with full grain chamois leather Cley bar with turtle wax kit Polish AG deep shine polish Finish with a wax I've no experience with any DJ products but have heard nothing but good things about them so that may be my next go to. Interesting to here you prefer that to Swissvax, I don't think many people would own up to that after shelling out the £120! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 get rid of the chamois - its doing more harm than good 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 get rid of the chamois - its doing more harm than good Will do. I'm assuming a drying towel is the way forward then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Absolutely. At least two for the Zed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Great stuff, thanks for the help gents I'll put it all in to practice and post pics of the results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIGWEL Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Good choice with black. Mine is too. Looks great. I need to give my z a good clean though í ½í¸™í ½í¸™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) check out illogicals posts Wow. This guy has taken it wayyy beyond any thing I have ever done! Thanks for pointing that out, I'll give that an in depth read Apologies for the long post - I tend to ramble on, on this topic. In terms of Chemical Guys products in general; never, ever, EVER believe their marketing! Always look for independent reviews because Chemical Guys UK import the products from the manufacturer (Chemical Guys USA), sadly Chemical Guys USA don't know what they make and Chemical Guys UK don't know what they sell! Have a look at the marketing for Black Light for example, between the two it promises to do everything of everer whereas in reality it's just a glaze. That's not to say they're bad products, they typically do what they do quite well. They just don't quite do what CGUK/CGUSA promise they do... As Mr Dan has pointed out, products "designed" for specific colours is just marketing to a degree - any last stage product (LSP) will work on any colour. Granted some look marginally (and I do mean marginally!) better on certain finishes than others, but to be honest most people wouldn't notice any difference when they're sat side-by-side on the same panel [/voice of experience]. Bin the chamois, get a microfibre drying towel and learn the fine art of the pat dry - never drag anything over the paintwork unless you have to, especially on the uber-soft Nissan paint! - or better still get yourself a DI resin filter; final rinse with filtered water & leave to dry naturally. No drying needed, no water marks left behind. I personally don't rate AG Shampoo either, but that might just be me. Also remember that AG UDS contains a wealth of fillers - there's nothing wrong with that from a finish point of view, but it won't hide all the marring which will affect the finish you get, and it will adversely affect the durability of the LSP to some degree. Sadly with black, you're always going to suffer from it looking dirtier, quicker as that's just the nature of black - black looks awesome when it's freshly polished but looks terrible 5 minutes later. There's not much you can do about water marks from the rain really as any rain that dries on the car is going to leave something behind as a rule. More generally though, as Mr Dan has eluded to, the finish you get will be determined by the preparation you do prior to the wax/LSP. The better the prep, the better the finish. With black it's all about making the paint as defect-free and flat as possible which invariably means polishing, polishing and more polishing. Look into abrasive compounds depending on your level of experience and what risks you're willing to take... or look into paying a professional to do that bit for you if you'd rather. After that's been done once, you should be all right with AG USD, for a while at least, but ideally you want to perfect your safe wash technique - namely making it as touchless as possible, applying the 2 bucket method and using the right type of products. Edited September 28, 2015 by ilogikal1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 You, ramble? Hadn't ever noticed matey. ;) As always, a superb post on the subject. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Most of their solvent products are pretty good, I use a few of them on occasion. However, waxes for colours is marketing horse manure. Don't forget that a wax is an LSP, so is designed to protect. ADHG should be fine on a 350 if you've been happy with it on the BMW, but how much prep work have you done to the paint before using it? Black can be a nightmare, but I've always found that if its been corrected as much as possible then the LSP lasts longer. I prefer DJSN as my wax of choice, however I have used FK1000P before as well which lasts for aaaaaaaaaages. Right now I'm trialling Envy FA, on the Clio and the BMW, just to see how long it lasts. So far, it's outperforming anything else I've used in terms of beading and ease of cleaning. Not cheap, and maybe not what you're after, but I love it. So yeah, DJSN for me. I prefer it to the £120 pot of Swissvax I've still got floating around... What what what! Envy (as in Tim) is doing a wax? You got a linky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Most of their solvent products are pretty good, I use a few of them on occasion. However, waxes for colours is marketing horse manure. Don't forget that a wax is an LSP, so is designed to protect. ADHG should be fine on a 350 if you've been happy with it on the BMW, but how much prep work have you done to the paint before using it? Black can be a nightmare, but I've always found that if its been corrected as much as possible then the LSP lasts longer. I prefer DJSN as my wax of choice, however I have used FK1000P before as well which lasts for aaaaaaaaaages. Right now I'm trialling Envy FA, on the Clio and the BMW, just to see how long it lasts. So far, it's outperforming anything else I've used in terms of beading and ease of cleaning. Not cheap, and maybe not what you're after, but I love it. So yeah, DJSN for me. I prefer it to the £120 pot of Swissvax I've still got floating around... What what what! Envy (as in Tim) is doing a wax? You got a linky? https://www.facebook...693465/?fref=ts http://www.envyvaleting.co.uk/products-info.asp?id=413 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 You, ramble? Hadn't ever noticed matey. That's because it's such an entertaining subject. Of course my generous charm and wit help too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Get a machine polish on it and black can be quite simply stunning I stuck with DJ Supernatural for ages but then tried Victoria Concours on my Celica (Illogical you tried it yet?) which has totally converted me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 I have toyed with the idea of abrasive compounds but never really had the guts to do it on my car! I've machined my dad's boat using G3 superfine and it always comes up like new.... But then that's on a nice thick, perhaps more forgiving gel coat. I think I'll try to refine my prep work a bit more before I attempt it on the car. The DI water is a great idea, I have a 4 stage RO/DI unit from my old fish tank so I'll give that a go to, I always find drying to be the most boring part of the whole ordeal so any thing to speed that up is grand I'll have a re sort of my chosen products once I've used up my current supplies to. Coldel- that is stunning, just what I'm trying to achieve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I stuck with DJ Supernatural for ages but then tried Victoria Concours on my Celica (Illogical you tried it yet?) which has totally converted me! Sadly not tried any Vics waxes, despite wanting to. I hear nothing but good things about them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogman Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) No need to dry before clay barring the car, rinse shampoo off and keep the car wet, use less 'lube' for the clay this way too. Oh and wash it again after claying Also, look into polymer sealants over waxes if you want longevity. Great results on my Ebisu black on my build thread, post #027 Edited September 29, 2015 by Ogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 Well I used the wax today after taking some of the advice given on here regarding prep work and I'm very pleased with the results! The wax it's self nice to use, being a paste it's very easy to use and a little goes a long way. I'm not convinced the finish will last as long as a harder wax but I would say the immediate finish is just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Looks good, nice job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich260 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 Looks good, nice job Cheers, still a lot of work to do but it's a good starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Good results there, well done that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirag1988 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Gleaming mate, always feels good stepping back and admiring the finished article. I did mine yday, 6hr job from start to finish, but my oh my that shine it gives afterwards is totally worth it. You can see what I did here towards the bottom of the page http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/86570-chirag1988s-build-thread-my-dream-mod-come-true/page__st__140 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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