ts743 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Wow, that's terrible. I've had similar experience and it's hard to rectify when you have a personal connection to the place - I will not use places with personal ties anymore. It's so so so hard to find bodyshops that exhibit a degree of competence, I feel for you! ----------------------- EDIT: - You recommended this guy to me a few months back, I'm so pleased I didn't follow it up! Edited March 11, 2015 by ts743 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I had a mildly similar experience when I had the front end and spoiler resprayed on my car. This is what I have taken from the experience - NEVER use friends of friends to do the work (especially on a good price etc). Just go to a professional place, and get it done properly. In your case this guy just sounds like a total bell end anyway. In my case, it wasn't horrendous work done but not good, took far too long. He's not doing the work any more as er he died last year - NOTHING to do with me I'll add 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 ...and people wont use TGM because they are a few quid more expensive - well worth taking recommendations with evidence I guess as well - lots of lessons learned with the whole sorry saga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) All I can say is serve you right! I told you about this guy's shoddy work but you said it had nothing to do with you, despite the fact you highly recommended him to me. I said it was nothing to do with me what happened between you and him! Just like it's nothing to do with anybody else what happened between me and him - I'm not blaming anybody else for it, just warning people! Without trying to blow this up or go into tiny get ails it still sounds to me like you still lack insight! And this this is what was/is annoying about the whole. You recommended someone to me who gives me the run around, does a really bad job and when I complained to you about this after the end of the protracted saga, you said it's none of your business what happened between the 2 of us👀! This comes accross as unsympathetic and selfish. You fail to see that what happened is that I got a shocking service by someone you recommended! It wasn't a social complaint though is behaviour is also shocking! I was'nt asking you for a refund but some acknowledgement that you misled me and this guy has messed up. This is taking responsibility. The least could have been on the lines of "i"ll speak to "my mate" to see how this can be redressed or to let him know you were unhappy with the service", Not its nothing to do with me because it does👎. I'm not blaming you for his actions but for claiming he was a professional when by the evidence of it all you where guess or quoting his words without substantiated evidence. So it's good the same treatment was metted out to you despite him being your mate and highly professional ( "very anal about his work" as you put it!) Well, I'm sorry for recommending him! I did speak to him about your job - but he just chatted so much bullsh*t, making out it was your fault and that - so I just left it, as already had my car in bits and didn't want to cause an argument before we even started. And I was angry at the time as you sold me bumper as we agreed...with just 1 crack... But then it appeared that mesh is home as well (even that's the point you've spent 5mins on the phone toe saying how good it was etc) and it wasn't just 1 crack...hairline cracks all over and so on...but that's nothung to do with this thread! At the time I was sure that he is good at his job - after all them pics he was sending me... If I knew he was crap - I would never recommend him to anyone and definitely wouldn't take my car there! Edited March 11, 2015 by Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Wow, that's terrible. I've had similar experience and it's hard to rectify when you have a personal connection to the place - I will not use places with personal ties anymore. It's so so so hard to find bodyshops that exhibit a degree of competence, I feel for you! ----------------------- EDIT: - You recommended this guy to me a few months back, I'm so pleased I didn't follow it up! Yea, that's what I've learnt now! And sorry for recline ding him to you...only if I knew... Glad you didn't go there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Vlad, I accept your apology and that's what should have gone down in the first place. We have been mates too long hence why I was disappointed. I explained to you why I had to remove the mesh and the bumper was described correctly imho. The cracks where in the lacquer/paint not the fibre glass so cosmetic. There was one crack involving the fibre glass as declared/photographed. However I f you felt misled then sorry, I did my best to be open with the description. Anyway I'm glad we can put this behind us and have exposed this charlatan in public.👠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Vlad, I accept your apology and that's what should have gone down in the first place. We have been mates too long hence why I was disappointed. I explained to you why I had to remove the mesh and the bumper was described correctly imho. The cracks where in the lacquer/paint not the fibre glass so cosmetic. There was one crack involving the fibre glass as declared/photographed. However I f you felt misled then sorry, I did my best to be open with the description. Anyway I'm glad we can put this behind us and have exposed this charlatan in public.👠You owe me a beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 You know where I live😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxrob Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 That is some real shoddy work from a so called mate I would have been mortified @*!# happens and you have to move on Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 I don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 That is some real shoddy work from a so called mate I would have been mortified @*!# happens and you have to move on Rob Yep... And that's what I'm doing... While warning others in the process lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 ...and people wont use TGM because they are a few quid more expensive - well worth taking recommendations with evidence I guess as well - lots of lessons learned with the whole sorry saga I do, won't go anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 TGM Who ? (have you got a link) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The moral of the story is only recommend someone to others when you trust in the quality of the work and the service. You get what you pay for - TGM in fleet do a fantastic job with the boduwork on zeds, they do charge more but you get a quality job from someone who has been in the industry a long time and treates the car as his own. Sorry to hear you received some dodgy work. Always tricky mixing business with friends, rarely works out for the better. Hope you get it sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 TGM Who ? (have you got a link) TGM in fleet http://www.tgmsport.co.uk/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Ah great, I was hoping it was those guys as they are about 15 mins from my parents - VERY handy to know for the future ! http://www.tgmsport.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 My car was keyed a few years back. Its black rose so tricky to match. Will at TGM did a brilliant job and it was virtually impossible to identify where the keying was done after his job. A number of others here, including detailers and those as anal as me about scuffs and scratches couldnt find where the mark was Very happy with their work and I and others from here trust them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 The moral of the story is only recommend someone to others when you trust in the quality of the work and the service. You get what you pay for - TGM in fleet do a fantastic job with the boduwork on zeds, they do charge more but you get a quality job from someone who has been in the industry a long time and treates the car as his own. Sorry to hear you received some dodgy work. Always tricky mixing business with friends, rarely works out for the better. Hope you get it sorted Totally agree! And I did trust him...otherwise I wouldn't go there myself and definately wouldn't reccomend him to others! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Good body shops = gold dust. More like you get what you pay for ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Good body shops = gold dust. More like you get what you pay for ......... Not always... As "technically" I paid over £1400 for it Edited March 11, 2015 by Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Edit: duplicate Edited March 11, 2015 by Vlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Not always... As "technically" I paid over £1400 for it "Technically" it looks like you were helping a mate out TBH - did you actually take 7 days holiday and tell him this is what you were doing? £50 also has to be 3/4 of a tank of fuel as well, were you really doing 100 miles each way every time? Did your mate see £150 of work (thats at least 10 hours hard graft IMO) every time you came in? If he had paid a local labourer £100 per day would he have got less? Sorry, but Ive seen this kind of thing before, one "mate" overpricing his time and input and the other thinking he was just having a "mate" help out, mate 1 then expects work to be done at knock down or non existent price. Whether you like it or not, in time, facilities and expertise the guy could have done at least £1000 of work for someone else, so the net cost of painting your car to his business is £1000, thats no small amount of cash for a start up. Its the difference between cost and price - just because I know my landlord only pays 85p a pint for beer doesnt mean I should expect him to give it to me for that, even if I have done him a favour recently. Likewise, if I pitch up a barrel of Becks Vier thats come into my p;ossession, he isnt going to pay me £3.50 per pint for it. The only way to stop this kind of thing from happening is to agree what the terms of your arrangement are before anyone does anything - Ive no doubt if you told your mate at the outset you wanted £1400 for 7 days of help he would not have agreed, to put it politely Edited March 11, 2015 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 ^^ I think the price Vlad puts on his time is irrelevant, a deal was struck whereby Vlad helps him out for a few days and in return gets his front end sprayed. Seems simples and would be simples to a competent bodyshop, something that this cowboy clearly isn't. No money has changed hands so Vlad hasn't a leg to stand on, so I think bad mouthing them is the least he should do. Next step take it to the local paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Sorry, read that back and it might look a bit harsh on Vlad - the point as that you both need to know what the score is before anyone does anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 To be honest - money are completely irrelevant in this situation! As it was agreed I do him favour and he will do me a favour after! I only mentioned money after he went mad and strarted screaming at me that I'm getting it all for nothing and it costing him so much.... Only then I mentioned that it did cost me in wages and fuel wen I was helping him out. And yes, if I worked them days - I would've got £150 per day...and would've worked less time than I spent in his body shop. Regarding fuel costs - it wasn't just the case of getting there and back... He doesn't drive - so every te I had to pick him up, take him there and then drop him off... And all the trips to the shops etc inbetween! And that was last year, when fuel prices were higher than now lol But yea, I will say it once again - money are irrelevant as it meant to be favour for favour... Until he started mentioning costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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