Jetpilot Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Sad news imho. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1331479&mid=29272&nmt=RE%3A+Nissan+Z+-+the+next+gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 well it seems inevitable to me, the age of the big naturally aspirated engine is dying, in favour of fuel economy and emissions. One line does give me some hope though: "It'll be smaller, lighter [than the current Z] but not less powerful." so at least whatever they come up with will be fast. my real loss will be the V6 engine... really hoping that Nissan dont follow everyone else and install a turbocharged 2litre 4pot (yawn) i dont care how much power it makes, its still a boring 4 pot! with any luck they'll go back to what they've done so brilliantly before, either a twin turbo 2.6 straight six (a la R34 GTR), or a twin turbo 3 litre V6 (a la 300ZX) heck, how about really going down the eco route with a 2.4 litre turbo V6, with some kind of KERS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Smaller, lighter, but with the same power? No chance. The concept might, but not the production version. Definitely won't be smaller (barring the Mazda2, no car has ever been smaller than the predecessor), lighter maybe but not by much, and the same power is likely to actually be more to keep the marketers happy. Expect a 2L turbo with some kind of crappy hybrid motor system at best. I don't actually hate the idea of electric motors, but I've yet to see them in a performance car that actually aided performance rather than maintained it (LF, P1 & 918 included). Japaneses don't seem to be able to do big engines with decent economy atm, or at least I can't think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 "It'll be smaller, lighter [than the current Z] but not less powerful." so at least whatever they come up with will be fast how about really going down the eco route with a 2.4 litre turbo V6, with some kind of KERS? I cant see that anything with a wealth of batteries will be lightweight or as powerfull. And if they went 2.6 v6 it would be far from eco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14N Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 My 350Z is electric/battery powered anyway. I thought they all were I have a 3.5l V6 which runs an alternator, that charges the battery that makes my car run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
350 Russ Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I'm expecting something along the same lines as the alfa 4c, small lightweight and 4 pot engine, I'm praying it doesn't go full electric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Definitely won't be smaller (barring the Mazda2, no car has ever been smaller than the predecessor). Mk2 -> Mk3 MR2? I'm sure I could think of others if I put my mind to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 True, but then that went from coupe/targa to full convertible so I wouldn't really include that. I guess Impreza saloon to hatch would fall under the same banner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Was going to happen. Rather have a hybrid Z than not have one. Plus if you could get over 40mpg without trying plus the performance then best of both. Only problem is the lagging battery technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 At what price, though? More weight = more power needed for same performance = less dynamic drive. I suspect it may also be 4WD, which would completely change the ethos of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah but most of the weight is from the batteries. If and when batteries get better less weight etc. plus the Z is a heavy ass car to start with. Surprisingly the Vq weighs about the same as a 2l turbo like the sr20 or is it slightly less. Depend on how the put the weight too knowing Nissan they will dangle them from a pole 10m above the car It might be 4wd depending on what system they use. E.g. Fully ev mode like Toyota or just ima Honda style. Plus in the Lexus gs450h it's rwd with a petrol 3.5 v6 and an electric motor while the ls600h is 4wd with the electrics doing the front wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolzz Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I hope it stays rwd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Depressing... ... I know things will need to change and ultimately to keep a company going or keep a specific model going, you need...sales. When it does change though it prob won't be the same and it won't be as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Depressing... ... I know things will need to change and ultimately to keep a company going or keep a specific model going, you need...sales. When it does change though it prob won't be the same and it won't be as good. People said the same about water cooled porsches. It will get better and better over time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hmm, all electric would be pretty expensive, hybrid not much cheaper really. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longsh07 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) I don't think it would actually bother me if it was a hybrid, all electric might. The torque from electric motors is pretty impressive and if they stick a nice V6 in it that takes over at 30/40mph we could end up with a Zed that's more economical and faster accelerating than we have now. Edited September 17, 2013 by longsh07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/bmw-i8-first-drive-car-review-2013-08-09 BMW have already put something together along those lines... It doesn't have to be that bad, but the whole joy of the 350z is that large v6. Big litre petrol cars won't be around for a huge amount longer I fear.... Or reserved by the few car enthusiasts still able to afford them. Though for the next hundred years or so we'll be fine, so enjoy them whilst you can! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Theres still not enough places to charge to say its worth buying. Unless you have a garage and easy electricity bill... chances are hybrid will be as eco as it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Theres still not enough places to charge to say its worth buying. Unless you have a garage and easy electricity bill... chances are hybrid will be as eco as it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Indeed. And it currently takes several hours to charge... Whereas it takes less than a couple of minutes to fill and pay for a tank of fuel. The technology is just not evolved enough yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Theres also the issue with ...sound... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz 350z Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I may be wrong, but : Nissan and Williams announced they would be working together about a month ago. Prior to that, Williams were working with Jag to produce the CX-75. I think that williams will continue to develop their 1.6l twin charged engine, and have a similar hybrid system to the one in cx-75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share Posted September 18, 2013 The technology is just not evolved enough yet. And imho, nor will it ever be. Whilst ever there is oil in the ground i dont believe for one minute we will see a viable alternative, least of all electric. If there was a viable alternative the oil companies would be all over it and finding the next way to make billions, they seem to have little interest in electric as far as i am aware. I still cant really get my head around lower emissions via electric either, what about all the emissions caused by making the electric to charge the batteries, let alone the emissions generated to make the batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choptop Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I can honestly say that my next sports car purchase will not be Nissan unless a GTR comes up at the right price Jaguar is looking more and more likely as time goes by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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