stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) One of my neighbours is a elderly lady around 85 years old, who left the UK when she was 7 years old and moved to Zimbabwe. She had a great life out there by the sounds of it and had been retired for about 15 years. Then one day due to the troubles she was giving the ultimatum to leave the country or die! Anyway she lost everything, land, home, pension etc. she returned to the UK, she was giving a really nice council house and a full pension and all the usual NHS entitlement. She's no worse off than my grandparents who have worked all there life and contributed to the country. Also they always wanted a council house in the area that the old lady stays but never got one. Whats everyone's thoughts? Edited March 27, 2013 by stuarty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 H'mmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Bit different when you look at extremes. For most immigrants I would say they can f off. But for those in real need, we should provide. Esp the elderly. They deserve it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 My mum had a similar ordeal when she got kicked out of Uganda back in the 70s. But she worked as soon as she was 16 and has done ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 My mum had a similar ordeal when she got kicked out of Uganda back in the 70s. But she worked as soon as she was 16 and has done ever since. yea similar situation ... still thinking about this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgedon Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Edited March 27, 2013 by smudgedon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Bit different when you look at extremes. For most immigrants I would say they can f off. But for those in real need, we should provide. Esp the elderly. They deserve it! Ermm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 What i'm thinking is:- she left for a better life, contributed to that country, never gave the UK a second thought. Never returned in nearly 70 years and then returns to a life as if she had earned it all her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 My mum had a similar ordeal when she got kicked out of Uganda back in the 70s. But she worked as soon as she was 16 and has done ever since. Yeah but your mum decided to come here, work and contribute to the country, so she is entitled to the same as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Life in Africa could be good way back, but what do you expect her to do when Mugabe took control ? sit back and enjoy it ? ... Life is cheap in Africa ... I lived there for four years so I think I have some right to have an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Life in Africa could be good way back, but what do you expect her to do when Mugabe took control ? sit back and enjoy it ? ... Life is cheap in Africa ... I lived there for four years so I think I have some right to have an opinion Yeah and thats why your comments are appreciated. So you made your mind up yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 TBH, with the lady being 85.....you won't have her living off the state for too long....just sayin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Yeah and thats why your comments are appreciated. So you made your mind up yet? I think I'll sleep on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Doesn't help that she's a really cool old bird. Always got a good story to tell me. Slightly more interesting than the usual folk. I chapped her door during the heavy snow fall to see if she needed anything at the supermarket, she really appreciated the gesture! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgedon Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Sorry mate, ye that's what I meant Immigrant's who are here legally, legitimately and actually contribute to the economy by working and paying taxes are fine by me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Sorry mate, ye that's what I meant Immigrant's who are here legally, legitimately and actually contribute to the economy by working and paying taxes are fine by me Good, I'll save you a nice Cadbury's Twirl as I find that has the best purple wrapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Sorry mate, ye that's what I meant Immigrant's who are here legally, legitimately and actually contribute to the economy by working and paying taxes are fine by me So lets say BM ( hypothetical question don't wish this on him he is a cool guy) he hurts himself. Can't work for 5 years needs to claim. Would you kick up about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I'm sure he would not, seeing as I actually pay my taxes and have contributed to the system. I think it would be put into question if I did the same but had only arrived fresh off the boat a few days ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Have no problem with the old lady coming back from zim, as for bm, on the plane he must go...back to scotland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 lol Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Have no problem with the old lady coming back from zim, as for bm, on the plane he must go...back to scotland The land of the brave! I truly love my country by the way. If we had a bit more sun and less rain it would be perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudgedon Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Sorry mate, ye that's what I meant Immigrant's who are here legally, legitimately and actually contribute to the economy by working and paying taxes are fine by me Good, I'll save you a nice Cadbury's Twirl as I find that has the best purple wrapper YAY!!! Is she a British Citizen? If so, no problem with that at all I can't understand it when we give this sort of treatment to immigrants that aren't of British descent Please rephrase that to "illegal" immigrants that aren't of British descent. Or at least to immigrants with intent to abuse. I myself am a second generation immigrant of non-British descent, parents from Hong Kong, born in Scotland, so genetically I am not british. I pay my taxes and my brother even went to Afghan for Queen and Country. Sorry mate, ye that's what I meant Immigrant's who are here legally, legitimately and actually contribute to the economy by working and paying taxes are fine by me So lets say BM ( hypothetical question don't wish this on him he is a cool guy) he hurts himself. Can't work for 5 years needs to claim. Would you kick up about that? Nope as he's contributed to the system prior to his "accident" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Hmmm, legally she's entitled, just like any Tom Dick and Harry from the EU is entitled to come here and claim benefits etc despite not contributing, but I think the point of the OP is, should she be entitled? IMHO, no, because I don't see this as any different to EU citizens who abuse the system. Yes they are doing it intentionally, and this old lady isn't, however, through her own choice (in living her life in Africa) has never contributed Tax to the UK, and therefore shouldn't be entitled to any of my taxes. It's one thing for someone to be on disability etc and therefore not contribute in that manor, it's another for someone to not even live in the country for any of they're working life and turn up (through unforeseen circumstances in this case) and start claiming a pension. I know what I have said is harsh, and without compassion, but I believe unless you have contributed to a country, then you have no rights to benefits from it, unless you are a school leaver looking for a first job. Maybe even if you have lived outside a country for X amount of years legislation should state that you have to accept that countries citizenship and give away your "birthright"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BulletMagnet Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Tbh, it's a difficult one, seeing that she did spend contributing to another country, but only to have those contributions stripped from her and told to leave the country or face death. I think these are very special circumstances, for which allowances should be made. Otherwise we'd have thread reading "Elderly UK citizen not receiving any benefits when EU scroungers do" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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