nurrish Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 whats happend steve??? your fingers dropped off..... http://www.350z-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=24772 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunset350z Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sorry Dave too lazy to search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Sorry Dave too lazy to search Maybe RS Tuning will be too lazy to tune your car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunset350z Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I think the smell of £500 will wake them up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprev Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nice gains & a pretty decent price Would be interested to see the results with HFCs & a Y-pipe. Tempted to get mine done until I can afford a decent EMS Osiris is a decent EMS. What is out there that we can't support through a shop like RS Tuning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprev Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Good looking gains I can't understand half the posts on here though. I think between RS Tuning and Abbey Motorsports, the Z community in the UK is going to do very well. You can check the US forums for more info about our products, or call either of these companies. Even a totally stock car will net reasonable gains, and you should feel a difference in the drivability. As far as the ROM files (aka ECU Part Number) I'm not sure if the dealerships there will give out the info like they do in America. We generally have the customer contact the Dealership Parts department for the ECU Part number. We have most the US Spec ROMs patched, but not many of the Euro Spec ROMs. If we don't have it patched you can either send the ECU or take the car to either of our Pro Tuners. It takes them roughly 30 minutes to get the ROM. Once they have it, they e-mail it to us, it gets added to the queue and when it's patched we'll get it back to them so they can tune it. Average turn around time for a ROM patch is 3-4 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nice gains & a pretty decent price Would be interested to see the results with HFCs & a Y-pipe. Tempted to get mine done until I can afford a decent EMS Osiris is a decent EMS. What is out there that we can't support through a shop like RS Tuning? My future plans involve FI, I personally would feel safer with a proper EMS & not a reflash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprev Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nice gains & a pretty decent price Would be interested to see the results with HFCs & a Y-pipe. Tempted to get mine done until I can afford a decent EMS Osiris is a decent EMS. What is out there that we can't support through a shop like RS Tuning? My future plans involve FI, I personally would feel safer with a proper EMS & not a reflash What is the reason for this? Our system has proven time and time again to make more power with higher drivability and reliability than the aftermarket EMS systems. This is 1989 anymore, the factory ECU is not only faster but more reliable. The safety mechanisms built into the code by the OEM take into consideration more about your specific motor than any aftermarket system could, the cost of engineering a VQ specific EMS would be astronomical. Also as far as safety goes, the factory ECU is pre-emptive rather than reactionary. It knows that there is a knock potential and starts to adjust before knock happens. There isn't an aftermarket EMS out there that does that, they are all reactionary. They need knock to happen X number of times in X threshold to then adjust after the fact to reduce knock. Our Pro Tuners world wide recommend our system over aftermarket EMS systems for forced induction. The only real reason to sell the aftermarket EMS for them is because a customer requests it, or they are building 1200+hp cars that aren't designed to be driven on the street. Even Nissan uses our software on their Nismo SCCA and NASA competition vehicles in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Nice gains & a pretty decent price Would be interested to see the results with HFCs & a Y-pipe. Tempted to get mine done until I can afford a decent EMS Osiris is a decent EMS. What is out there that we can't support through a shop like RS Tuning? My future plans involve FI, I personally would feel safer with a proper EMS & not a reflash What is the reason for this? Our system has proven time and time again to make more power with higher drivability and reliability than the aftermarket EMS systems. This is 1989 anymore, the factory ECU is not only faster but more reliable. The safety mechanisms built into the code by the OEM take into consideration more about your specific motor than any aftermarket system could, the cost of engineering a VQ specific EMS would be astronomical. Also as far as safety goes, the factory ECU is pre-emptive rather than reactionary. It knows that there is a knock potential and starts to adjust before knock happens. There isn't an aftermarket EMS out there that does that, they are all reactionary. They need knock to happen X number of times in X threshold to then adjust after the fact to reduce knock. Our Pro Tuners world wide recommend our system over aftermarket EMS systems for forced induction. The only real reason to sell the aftermarket EMS for them is because a customer requests it, or they are building 1200+hp cars that aren't designed to be driven on the street. Even Nissan uses our software on their Nismo SCCA and NASA competition vehicles in the USA. Then why do most people that go FI ALWAYS reccomend a decent EMS if yours suffice at 1/3rd of the price? I like to do things properly as most people will see from the way that my car is heading so it stands to reason that when I come to run higher power I'm gonna do that properly aswell. You reflash could well be the greatest item on the entire planet, its just not for me - As I stated I feel safer with a proper EMS instead of a reflash of my ECU - even more so when everyone who has gone FI says that the mapping is the most essential part. Not knocking your product, but its just not right for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I most certainly would not want this on my FI build until I knew a lot more about it. I think that I will just stick with my HKS Fcon Vpro and HKS Valcon for the time being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 The reason people use aftermarket EMS is purely because its known by the tuners. Its a chicken and egg situation with UpRev and the 350z over here though. They obviously have a good product, but who is willing to test it with FI? Seems RS Tuning has someone with a supercharger, so we'll see how they get on. UpRev - why not post a thread in the welcome section to introduce yourself properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcash5 Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 The reason people use aftermarket EMS is purely because its known by the tuners. Its a chicken and egg situation with UpRev and the 350z over here though. They obviously have a good product, but who is willing to test it with FI? Seems RS Tuning has someone with a supercharger, so we'll see how they get on. UpRev - why not post a thread in the welcome section to introduce yourself properly Chris i dont think this is the case at all. UpRev will be able to correct me on this but i believe the reason people use a Standalone system is the versitility of the box. Looking at some of the systems namely Solarus, Pectal, Motec, Haltech etc the data logging controllability and live mapping would be fantastic for a 'non standard engine', plus is cheaper when you are constantly changing modification and required a map to modify it. When you look at 95% of the 350z's currently in the UK they are pretty much stock engine, abit a few bolt ons. When you start doing the internals and running higher tolerances outside of the stock ECU I believe the standalone would be the only way to go. RSTuning/UpRev/Abbey - i think you are doing a fantastic job bringing this kind of technology to the UK and will be perfect for 95% of the cars here. Just to get this right is the UpRev Tune a dump of the ECU that is sent away to America and then sent back with tweaks and uploaded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chr15g Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 RSTuning/UpRev/Abbey - i think you are doing a fantastic job bringing this kind of technology to the UK and will be perfect for 95% of the cars here. Here here... makes me want a Zed even more now!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSTuning Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 Guys, the mapping done on the stock ECU is done custom, just like you would tune any aftermarket ECU. Yes the downside on the gen1 is you can't live map BUT this does not mean the quality of the tune will suffer. It just makes the job longer for us the mapper. You have to flash a rom test, log then make changes. So far the mapping we have done has been from the stock rom and not a generic file sent by email. We specialise in mapping the OE units on most cars and are fully aware how capable they really are. Put it this way more money is piled into development on these to meet certain laws than any aftermarket, even the high end pectel and the likes can't match certain functions of the stock unit. P.s. we also have several forced induction clio sports running happily on stock ECU's with full OE knock calibration, cold start and emmisions so the same applies to these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St3v50z Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Well if the 350z ecu is anything like the Renault ECU which basically uses the same engine, then it is very capable, especially of being turbo'd etc...as they do it all the time on the Renault forums with no issues on the OEM ECU.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
live2themaxuk Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi Uprev First off i would like to say i think it is great there are more options becoming available for tuning of Z's in the UK. Keep up the good work. Question though What are your thoughts about knock detection? I read that the stock ECU can only detect knocking up to 5000rpm. Is this correct? Some people feel this is a limitation of using the stock EMS over an aftermarket one and could be a concern once used with FI regards Jamie Good looking gains I can't understand half the posts on here though. I think between RS Tuning and Abbey Motorsports, the Z community in the UK is going to do very well. You can check the US forums for more info about our products, or call either of these companies. Even a totally stock car will net reasonable gains, and you should feel a difference in the drivability. As far as the ROM files (aka ECU Part Number) I'm not sure if the dealerships there will give out the info like they do in America. We generally have the customer contact the Dealership Parts department for the ECU Part number. We have most the US Spec ROMs patched, but not many of the Euro Spec ROMs. If we don't have it patched you can either send the ECU or take the car to either of our Pro Tuners. It takes them roughly 30 minutes to get the ROM. Once they have it, they e-mail it to us, it gets added to the queue and when it's patched we'll get it back to them so they can tune it. Average turn around time for a ROM patch is 3-4 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givememorepower Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So if you'd had a piggy back fitted would you have seen even more gains from the mapping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattG Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 So if you'd had a piggy back fitted would you have seen even more gains from the mapping? No, the piggy back does the same thing, i.e. remaps the car. If you have the remap then you don't need a piggy back unit. To be honest I think the whole Zed ECU mapping market will come down to Uprev remaps for the majority with an extreme few going for full ECUs. I can't see why anyone would want a piggy back unit now as it's more costly and more of a fudge than the Uprev method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurrish Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? The up rev map gets rid of the delimiter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? The up rev map gets rid of the delimiter do you have a map that I can use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurrish Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? The up rev map gets rid of the delimiter do you have a map that I can use? Its not as simple as that as you need to buy the up rev licence and then have a custom map done on your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? The up rev map gets rid of the delimiter do you have a map that I can use? Its not as simple as that as you need to buy the up rev licence and then have a custom map done on your car. see I wouldn't be interested in the actual mapping since I use Haltech platinum 350z for my maps but it doesn't look after the limiter So I'd just need the 1's and 0' that disables that part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3FIDDYZ Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 wonder what a reflashto get rid of my speed limiter would be... do you have a contact name in there that u used? The up rev map gets rid of the delimiter do you have a map that I can use? Its not as simple as that as you need to buy the up rev licence and then have a custom map done on your car. see I wouldn't be interested in the actual mapping since I use Haltech platinum 350z for my maps but it doesn't look after the limiter So I'd just need the 1's and 0' that disables that part i thought that was a given on the haltec? Are you tuning yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 i thought that was a given on the haltec? Are you tuning yourself? have a map on the H already that I'm using... not 'tuning' myself wouldn't be much left of the car if I did, to many settings to mess up in the software! thought so too ... lets not open old war wounds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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