New project after Z

[TT350]

Hi.

 

My Z will soon be complete after it comes back I have plans for the interior and bodywork and a set of wheels but that is all. It'll be reliable and safe at 600bhp as all the parts used are capable of 1000bhp minus the turbos. The clutch is rated to nearly 800ib/ft. Blah blah blah.

 

So I have been thinking of something pretty much the opposite of a 350Z.

 

Small displacement, very light, front wheel drive an N/A, clean, simple, reliable and fun with daily driving ability.

 

I've decided on an EF Civic shell/chassis with a K20 from a Type R Civic. TDI North are Honda specialists and I have a 'relationship' with them having done the turbo conversion on my Z and before that, a stage 1 tune and they'll be installing and mapping LinkG4 management and geometry set up.

 

A K20 swap is no sweat for them.

 

The engine won't be modified, at the most im thinking remap and CAI for induction noise. No loud exhaust. Probably around 230-240bhp but in an EF shell that should be so much fun.

 

I'll first replace old parts, a basic restoration, bushes etc, sort out any rust and bodywork. The focus will be clean and tidy and modernised where possible.

 

A set of coilovers with a fairly soft and forgiving set up and Thicker anti roll bars to stop the body roll while keeping suspension soft and comfy. Perhaps stiffer on the rear to stop lurch under acceleration.

 

15's. At the most 16's. Keep ride height practical. Colour depends on what respray I go for. Dark gunmetal or a deep glossy black. If gunmetal, bronze multispoke like CE28N if Black, anthracite version of the same wheel.

 

A lot of people are putting on Advans with white writing. Not for me.

 

Interior. Restoration and re-trim in leather and Alcantata. Probably a set of nice adjustable aftermarket seats up front or maybe a set from a modern Type R. Maybe Accord Type R. They have nice seats and will be a cost effective alternative. Not in green and black though.

 

Dash...I'm not sure. Does anyone have a thought on what to do with a flat, square dashboard?

 

Some nice white dials would be good with some kind of modern lighting. E.L or LED.

 

And that is about it.

 

What do you guys think? Any additionals you can think of?

 

Lots of scope for power further down the line. ITB's. Turbo conversion. Additional N/A tuning.

 

The other option is something I always wanted to do when I was younger. A C20LE Vauxhal Nova.

 

But, they're rapidly diminishing. Only 1200 left on UK roads and prices are approaching 4k for a tidy 1.2 Merit.

 

Another option is a P10 E-GT Nissan Primera saloon. But I haven't seen one for sale in a looooong time. Come with SR20 as standard albeit in N/A guise and 150bhp. You can easily pop in a GTiR SR20 and the Primeras handle incredibly well. I had a P11 GT which I loved. Probably the most comfortable car I owned. A well modified tasteful P10EGT would be lovely.

 

Unfortunately the Primera Owners Club leaves a lot to be desired. EssNchill who's a lead moderator on there is very aggressive I found and would delete posts he just didn't like. And the cars were so tasteless. Huge BGW and R34 front bumpers on an otherwise standard GT with 15" wheels. Or lots and lots of Fast and Furious style graphics and neons. Also on a standard GT.

 

Look forward to your input, guys. Thanks.

[Strudul]

What happened to the C6 plans?

[TT350]

What happened to the C6 plans?

 

Lol scrapped.

 

 

[DoogyRev]

Small displacement, very light, front wheel drive an N/A, clean, simple, reliable and fun with daily driving ability.

 

 

A Smart Car - Hello Kitty Edition

 

 

Pretty sure it fits your requirements EXACTLY!!

[TT350]

Small displacement, very light, front wheel drive an N/A, clean, simple, reliable and fun with daily driving ability.

 

 

A Smart Car - Hello Kitty Edition

 

 

Pretty sure it fits your requirements EXACTLY!!

 

Hayabusa turbo engine possible.

[Exec]

My brother got beaten doing a 1/4 mile along an airfield by a Vauxhall Astra sleeper. It was faded red and rusty and standard looking.

 

My brother in his Audi TT 2.0 S-TRONIC with launch control on, gets owned by this Astra. Running low 13's and got beaten by this rusty old monster.

 

It had a SAAB 2.5 conversion in it, a red top I think they said? You should do that. Sleeper!!

 

 

[Strudul]

What happened to the C6 plans?

 

Lol scrapped.

Any particular reason why?

[TT350]

What happened to the C6 plans?

 

Lol scrapped.

Any particular reason why?

 

Well just the initial outlay for the car itself really. Also there isn't much I'd want to to change and it certainly won't need restoring.

 

Really appeals to me to get a car that needs modernising and rejuvenation and then have a tidy, clean well sorted sleeper car at the end of it.

 

That's why I don't want a loud exhaust on the Civic. As good as VTEC engines sound on the induction side of things, the raspyness from the exhaust doesn't appeal.

 

A K20 remapped will be so reliable and with being in a lighter car, fuel economy should go up a decent amount. Plus the 240 to 250bhp will be so handy in a light car and torque won't be as much of an issue.

 

A Corvette is pretty much like the Z. A fast 2 seater. And I've already got the Z.

 

The handling on the Civic will be so much fun on B roads.

 

If not a K20 then a Type R B18C or maybe just a B16A2 with Type R cams and a CAI and remap. Should be circa 200bhp at 9500 RPM.

 

But ideally the K20 is what I want. They're in plentiful supply and throttle bodies should see close to 300 normally aspirated horsepower.

 

Imagine that in an 800kg car.

 

Also a decent LSD would really help things. Shorter gears and lighter flywheel. On a twisty B road I bet there wouldn't be much that could pull away from it.

 

Should be so much fun.

 

 

[TT350]

[Olly350z]

If you wanted really cheap, reliable B road blasting and track fun then you could sack off the K20, and stick a B18c4 lump in there from the MB6. As much as I love Hondas and I miss my old B18c EK, there is just no money in them. Every one of your plans sounds awesome, my pals have just finished there K20 EF build and its a weapon but, they'll never make there money back

 

Appreciate that with a TT 350z thats probably the least of your concerns, just find it so disheartening watching monster builds getting torn to shreads by those selling pages where every wipper snapper thinks his rot box 1.4 is worth a million pounds. Can easily say with receipts I spent over 14K on mine by the end and I barely made 5K back in breaking. Still have the only godspeed miracle xbrace in the country too!

[Olly350z]

Remind me tomorrow and Ill post pictures of said K20 EF and my old B18c EK. Gah, memory lane. Not cool

[TT350]

I had an MB6 B18C4 a few years back. Shame it was basically a Rover 400 with a Honda engine. Really mismatched combination.

 

Is there a "but" after you say every one of my plans sound awesome? Lol.

 

I loved thrashing the VTEC. But they're terrible on the motorway. At 70mph I think I was at 4500 RPM and the drone gets annoying after a while. Gears are very short in the MB6.

 

I know modifying is a money pit that you don't recoup come selling up. I can live with that. The amount of fun a twin turbo 350Z is, is priceless. It's a shame that turbo conversions are so costly. I honestly think that if everyone could experience and afford a TTZ then they would soon forget about the lost money. The car is transformed. The weight stops becoming an issue, too because the power and torque cancels the weight out, to an extent. And the feeling of acceleration is addictive. Really pushes you into the seat. The turbo's on mine have virtually no lag so the power hits hard and keeps going. My Dyno shows the horsepower and torque rising nicely up until gear change time. Paul at TDI North said it felt more like a supercharger than twin turbo.

 

Come selling time I'll advertise it on here, too.

 

I emailed TDI North about doing a K20 swap into an EF shell. He said it's bloody hard work to get it in an EF engine bay. But it can be done.

 

To me that's sounds like it'll be very costly in labour. And an EG or EK would be much cheaper and less of a squeeze.

 

The EF Civic did come with a B16 in the Sir version. So a B16 or B18 would go in fairly easily. It'd probably still be really quick with 170hp B18C4.

 

Will remind you tomorrow about the K20 pictures.

[Willsy1980]

Or go totally insane and drop a Focus RS lump in a Ka

[HEADPHONES]

http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/116115-twingo-gt-turbo-for-sale/#entry1726028

 

How about this for a run around.

GT Turbo in a name always sounds good.

With a turbo already in place should keep mods easier.

Known history.

Hopefully won't become too much of a project car leaving more time to enjoy the TT zeds

[Olly350z]

Agreed, the C4 in the MB6 and aerodeck was an odd combination. Interestingly enough the S9B gearbox that you would've had on the MB (unless you changed it) is one of the longest ratio gearboxes you could get. One of the few bar the Type R engines that actually came with an LSD as well.

 

The only butt is the scene as a general imo. Changed alot and im glad to be out of it... I cant see you selling it for more then 5K, simply because people are not prepared to pay it. Seen countless well specd cars broken because people wont pay depsite not being able to build it for that price!

 

Yes, that was the B16a generation 1 vtec engine in the SiR. Personally if i were you id get a CRX and stick the K20 in that, would be absolutely lethal. From a simple power to weight I reckon it would be comparable to your 350z, and on a twisty B road nothing would touch it!

[TT350]

Not quite the same power to weight. My Z will have 433bhp per ton. 650÷1.5 and the Civic, 300bhp per ton. 240÷0.8.

 

I'm sure I'd get more than 5k for my Z! A boggo Z is circa 5k!

 

I've seen supercharged ones go for 11k with nowhere near the same power or spec.

 

If it came to it, I'd just keep it.

Edited April 29, 2017 by TT350

[TT350]

http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/116115-twingo-gt-turbo-for-sale/#entry1726028

 

How about this for a run around.

GT Turbo in a name always sounds good.

With a turbo already in place should keep mods easier.

Known history.

Hopefully won't become too much of a project car leaving more time to enjoy the TT zeds

 

I'll give that a miss lol.

[Olly350z]

Not quite the same power to weight. My Z will have 433bhp per ton. 650÷1.5 and the Civic, 300bhp per ton. 240÷0.8.

 

I'm sure I'd get more than 5k for my Z! A boggo Z is circa 5k!

 

I've seen supercharged ones go for 11k with nowhere near the same power or spec.

 

If it came to it, I'd just keep it.

 

Not the Z LOL. The civic facepalm. I'll find you my spec list in a moment and show you why I left Hondas

[Jetpilot]

Civic, 300bhp per ton. 240÷0.8

 

I dont know a huge amount about Civics, but 800 kgs, thats seriously light, what are they supposed to be std?

[Mark261288]

I have a friend with a k24 swaped one of these. Think it's a accord 2.4 bottom end with a civic type r head and a few other mods to make it all work. His is stupid fast, about 280bhp and weights nothing. It is a fairly coming engine to build in the civic scene so worth some thought.

[nowhereboy]

Civic, 300bhp per ton. 240÷0.8

 

I dont know a huge amount about Civics, but 800 kgs, thats seriously light, what are they supposed to be std?

 

Not sure but 800kgs is not out of the ordinary for a fully stripped out EK.

 

TT check out @dannyDC2 on youtube, he has a channel full of K swapped hondas. Just done a 8.00 Ring lap (with traffic) in a K20 DC2.

 

Personally I'd love a K20 EK, such a raw and rewarding car to drive.