Jetpilot Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Just wait until 2017 and the system chsnces again. The gurning and moaning will be incredible Just wait until 2017 and the system chsnces again. The gurning and moaning will be incredible Oh dear, poor old gangzooms tesla will be taxed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernow zed Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I have to disagree with what seems to be the majority opinion on here that the higher tax cost is an insignificance (unless perhaps you`re fortunate enough to be dead rich). Paying monthly it now costs me £12 more each month than what the wife pays for the year for her car. Together with the fact that I seem to need to put a tenner's worth of fuel in each time just to nip to the local shops a couple of times a week makes it rather expensive for what is effectively a driveway ornament for the majority of the time. If I didn`t love driving it so much when I do take it out I`d definitely be looking for something more reasonable to run. Drive it more then I do 15-20k a year so well worth it haha I did 13k in my first year and with these miles the petrol is by far the biggest pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenLandy Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 You drive a high powered, highly polluting car - if you can't afford it, get a micra. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 You drive a high powered, highly polluting car - if you can't afford it, get a micra. I'm not complaining by any means, I knew exactly what I was taking on, but I've had my Zed for 9 years and have averaged less than 2.5k a year, so the pollution I've put out is probably the same as the pollution put out by a Micra doing 10k a year. They should simply drop the road tax and work out how much they need to raise the price of fuel in order to get back the tax they'll loose by scrapping VED. It's been discussed by various governments, even as long ago as the 1970's but it would seem that they probably think its a vote loser. Pete 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Absolutely as above, would without doubt be the fairest system. Tax collect at source (system is already in place), i would imagine the savings to the dvla would be vast, would be near impossible to avoid if your on the road, unless you have nicked your petrol. All foreign vehicles using our roads would also be contributing. The only problem that needs solving, vehicles that are now tax exempt. And how aviation fuel remains tax free is beyond me. Edited September 9, 2015 by Jetpilot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I say we leave the VED rules as they are, makes life much cheaper for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker1986 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 TBH I don't really get why people get all out of shape about this, with the sort of bills a zed can throw up if you cant afford an extra £200 in tax then you cant really afford to run the car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 TBH I don't really get why people get all out of shape about this, with the sort of bills a zed can throw up if you cant afford an extra £200 in tax then you cant really afford to run the car... Because that reason at the top of this page...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The only problem that needs solving, vehicles that are now tax exempt. There's always going to be some unfairness in the system and you've highlighted one of them although the number of exempt vehicles would be quite small. Another advantage of adding the duty to the price of fuel would be that vehicles that are currently untaxed would have to pay their share of tax. All foreign vehicles using our roads would also be contributing. Good point. I live in an area where there is a large Eastern European population and on a trip down to ASDA I'll spot numerous cars with PL and LT plates. Foreign cars are supposed to be registered after 12 months but I know of one Polish car that's been parked on the road for 3 or 4 years. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 So what did the Police or DVLA say when you reported it to them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 They said snitches get stitches because the local constabulary is also Eastern European. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Absolutely as above, would without doubt be the fairest system. Tax collect at source (system is already in place), i would imagine the savings to the dvla would be vast, would be near impossible to avoid if your on the road, unless you have nicked your petrol. All foreign vehicles using our roads would also be contributing. The only problem that needs solving, vehicles that are now tax exempt. And how aviation fuel remains tax free is beyond me. Is it tax free? Wasn't it fuel duty going up on aviation fuel that hindered the cheap flights and forced airlines to sneakily add taxes and charges at the checkout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Vat and duty free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Good thing too, else we'd all be paying much more for our flights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I would prefer to pay more for maybe one or two flights a year and less for my car, although i doubt it would ever be like that. Surely though if its emissions based, you have to tax the worst offenders and air travel is most certainly it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 It's not though. It's only lately that this fascination with emissions has come about, any tax is primarily about making money as easy as possible. The government has just done a good PR job convincing us that we're saving the planet too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Agree 100%. They have found a nice niche "emissions", great way to tax us more and let us believe its for the good of the environment. Either way, its total wrong that aviation fuel is zero rated and duty free. especially if its now an "emission" based tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Good thing too, else we'd all be paying much more for our flights. Meh, if you can't afford to go on holiday... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Either way, its total wrong that aviation fuel is zero rated and duty free. especially if its now an "emission" based tax. I don't disagree but the problem is that if you taxed aviation fuel it'd be us that would pick up the bill in higher fares. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsexr Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 You drive a high powered, highly polluting car - if you can't afford it, get a micra. I'm not complaining by any means, I knew exactly what I was taking on, but I've had my Zed for 9 years and have averaged less than 2.5k a year, so the pollution I've put out is probably the same as the pollution put out by a Micra doing 10k a year. They should simply drop the road tax and work out how much they need to raise the price of fuel in order to get back the tax they'll loose by scrapping VED. It's been discussed by various governments, even as long ago as the 1970's but it would seem that they probably think its a vote loser. Pete Bang on mate. It should be on the fuel and they you will pay for what you use. Only problem is If they ever do this no doubt it will end up costing us more like everything else in life. If you are concerned about emissions and the planet I believe the planes and ships are far worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Of course, but if the cost of motoring came down (which it wouldnt) because of it, I think its a good thing. Motorists are just too easy a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 So what did the Police or DVLA say when you reported it to them? I'm not a busybody you know, yes, it annoys me but I'd never be out of the police station if I reported everyone who was committing some sort of offense, like using their mobiles phones. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Give me the details then, I'll shop them. Something like that is taking the p*ss, and hurts all motorists. You can't complain about the issue if you don't do anything to solve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I just found this. The Convention on International Civil Aviation (ICAO) (Chicago 1947) exempts air fuels from taxation Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenLandy Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I agree with the idea that tax should be at source (ie at the pumps) - is that not, in effect, what the chancellor announced in the last budget though? We'll have a flat rate of £140 (a bit more if it's an expensive car) and then everything else is taxed within fuel use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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