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Now Maggz has got to get out? Even though you’ve already got out a few pages ago? But then undemocratically got back in? Make up your mind if you want to be part of this discussion thread. If you do, that’s great, but this thinly veiled followed up with a stops right here.

Have you lot seen the news today? Undemocracy wasn’t a thing until quite recently and now you can’t move for undemocracy! They’re only going to have a second vote on who’s going to be leader of the Conservative party, under the flimsiest of pretences. Turns out they just don’t like the vote they did a couple of years ago, simply because things haven’t transpired as promised. #itsadisgrace

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I spoke ages ago, way back on page 8 of this thread, about my main stream media views and enquired about your “reliable source for truth” (your words, not mine) that you claim to be tapped into, all you did was ignore it. Don’t forget to collect your toys on the way out.

Isn't that what we do every time there's a general election, or is that undemocratic too? Not one post in this whole thread is advocating how good this deal actually is, in any quantifiable way! Doesn't that say something? And let's face it, if your argument against a vote is not based on the deal being so good, but on an incorrect technicality that "it's just not democracy", it illustrates beautifully how pitifully weak the deal is. And still no one knows why voting once is democracy, but more than once isn't.

We're way short on entries, get in touch please gang.

Not one line of that explains why voting twice is undemocracy.

Why is voting once is democratic and more than once undemocratic?

George, there’s absolutely no coherent economic argument that can possibly convince anyone who has even the most fundamental grasp of trading, that there are genuine trade benefits to leaving one of the world’s biggest free trade areas and surrendering the group negotiating power we have as a member. There just isn’t any, you may as well stop looking. This leave us with the only vaguely coherent argument for this Brexit deal. I don’t want foreigners. Despite them making demonstrably positive economic impacts, such as funding more school places than they take, or contributing more to NHS budgets than they cost, or being of the perfect working age to pay for the increasing costs of an aging population. The global financial crisis and the resultant years of austerity have been shamelessly blamed on migration and refugees, when anyone with a functioning memory knows bankers did it. We know this because we gave them billions and billions to bail them out, unlike the migrants, who pay in millions and millions. We even saw them on the telly taking the money. People can rightly say that there were lots of other reasons for voting leave, which is definitely true, some of them are very reasonable, but if the referendum had asked; - Remain? - Leave? - Ban Migration? There'd still be 48% next to Remain, but there wouldn’t be 52% beside Leave.

I’ve never understood why farmers don’t have an OPEC for milk, like the milk marketing board, forcing sensible prices for farmers Opaque banking systems protected by strong privacy, you want to hide/launder money, do it through Switzerland and they live off the banking fees. I think this is likely to end up being the only way of the U.K. making anything “positive” out of Brexit. We can be a giant Cayman Islands. The only down side is the sort of people you're supporting by doing business via numbered accounts, but I think we’ve long since stopped giving a monkeys about ethics.

Bit of time yet, early Jan hard stop, if I was more organised I’d have an actual date. But I’m not.

Approved, but @Beb please add an asking price. Unless I’ve missed it. Also I’ve removed your phone number as it’s a public forum. You can reinstate it if you wish.

Of course. It’s about members taking photos of their own cars.

Thank to those of you who have put your names down already, it just about makes it viable to do one for 2019, but obviously more would be great. Do remember items are like this are one of the ways we keep the forum free to Members, so your support is hugely appreciated. If you've got pics to submit, please check out:

I wouldn’t expect the CC company to cover the cost of the MOT, they’ll only help you out if you reject the car and want your money back.

Yeah agreed, I always felt it should be higher. The number of chancers we get barrelling up and trying to sell stuff without bothering to chip in to the community is quite high. Perhaps 50 is a better barometer?

I was gonna go for it but the absence of a leopard print option has put me right off.

Got 'em, thanks.

I think it’s actually rather beautiful. I don’t mind the read being clean the horizontal vents/slats on vack end have always bothered me on the 911 and I think this looks way better for not having them. Agree with Davey about the 911 being unnecessary. If you don’t know what this is looking at it, you shouldn’t be allowed to buy one. Not sure any 911 would convince me to part with £100k but that’s a very subjective thing, I’d be sniffing around Aston at this price point, but I just love their vibe. Gorgeous though.

#fakenews 911 production ceases next year??? https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a19155284/volkswagen-beetle-discontinued/

I want a tenner and each of my 3rd world like clickers want it too, I’ve got 300 working for me

If we’re getting into lazy stereotypes you could equally say, “the old voters was a pretty easy one to win, scrap foreigners, job done votes won!”

Yeah, taking Momentum as a UK example, they certainly seem to have got their act together as a machine for using social media for targeting and recruiting the young voters. However, that’s probably the most leftist of the influential political groups out there and the policies they’re putting out are not even close to hard left. We had nationalised rail and utilities when I was a kid, but even the Tory government in the 80s never described that as communism! Also, whichever way you lean politically, the messaging is different; advocating increased spending is risky from a taxation point of view, but ultimately the message is one of improvement and is not an outright lie, though many disagree with this ideology you don’t see many examples of outright lying. The messaging that the problems in the UK can be solved by things like curbing immigration (which ties nicely in with the Brexit fiasco) are simply factually inaccurate, or, what we used to call lies.

Got yours mate.

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