coldel

The difference is coldel, our politics are made up of 3 or 4 main parties that all share/work towards a common goal they plan out in advance but the EU is what, 28 countries and potentially 28 agendas? You cant compare it. Lets take a local firm to me, Bombardier they are based in Derby and make trains. Because of the EU this happened: http://www.bbc.co.uk...yshire-14019992 it was following EU procurement rules You can't compare it because yes they have to make a bloc of 500m people of different cultures work vs the 70m brits our government have to. Regarding Bombardier, reading the article, isn't it the government that they are complaining about? They also openly admitted that jobs would have gone anyway? Many companies in the UK build stuff for Europe and benefit, there is always a flip side, even as close as people on here such as Ady and Doc who both cite the benefit.

You could argue the same of the 65% who didn't vote Tory in the last election, even if we were out of the EU 65% of people in this country are being dictated to be a body that is something they haven't voted for. Despite what the red tops would have you believe on the whole (admitting there are some odd laws in the EU though) what they put in place is there to make the union work, its not to spite any particular country.

...when you move house and open up those boxes that were in the loft for a few years. Well not that amazing but brought a smile to my face

Greece is slightly different, somewhat ironically that their local polices (such as pensionable age) are what are causing them so many problems. They want to exit the EU so they can effectively print drachmas for fun to pay back money they have borrowed to try and sustain an unsustainable local economy. I actually feel for Greece, yes they happily slide into a spiral of unsustainable debt but the IMF etc. quite happily lent them the money to carry on that way before trying to reign it in before it was too late. There is a belief that being outside of the EU trading bloc you can make up many of your own local laws, which isn't true. The key ones which people are voting leave on for instance such as immigration, will become part of any future trade negotiation between the UK and the EU. We won't know how much control we will have on these issues until the Leave campaign actually come out and say what type of trade deal they want with the EU - this is why I feel like I have to keep shouting this out, the trade deal is pretty much EVERYTHING in this decision to stay or leave in my opinion as it has such wide reaching influences.

Why do you call it Project Fear?

They should just peel off, other tricks are to rest a microfibre of hot water on it for a few minutes which will loosen the adhesive. But any stickers should just peel away, take your time and be patient.

Yes thats the point, people at work mock me for loving old jap cars, but on the flip side have openly admitted they are jealous that I have a passion that I am devoted to.

As my wife said, when men hit middle age they either get a stupidly impractical car and blow their money on it, or they get themselves a mistress and blow a load of money on her - win win in her eyes

Sound's like you want to write something Possibly...I could do you a cracking article on the pros and cons of the UK in the EU

Good article though, funny thing is people secretly admire us petrolheads that have a passion for cars. My manager she doesnt care for cars and badgered me for ages because I had this picture on my laptops wallpaper: She said I have a beautiful family and a gorgeous son so why not have a photo of them, so she put it in my objectives (kid you not), so I put this on it: So it caused a good joke in the team, but joking aside, many people said its fantastic that I have a passion that I follow so closely as many people do not. We shouldn't underestimate the passion we bring out in our cars

As always Gotta be on a final warning now

Sorry I was messing. Ah so you got the coilpacks at last - mate you need to get the car on the road, you owe me a hotlap!

Ha, I would be too busy polishing my car mate!

First line: "Since delivery 10 weeks ago it has covered 1000 miles" Ive done more than that in the last 3 days, and Ill do more than 55 miles (its range when very cold) today alone. Not being funny but if youre doing an average of 14 miles a day and you want to be eco friendly a pushbike is a lot cheaper and doesnt need 9 hours charging every night. The report itself says "if you live in a city" but if you live in a city then why not use public transport for your 7 miles each way? Twas a point I made on another thread. Ideally these suit cities, but, during the week I would wager 90% of people living in London zones 1-6 commute on public transport to work and on the weekends I think I would prefer something a bit more fun than an EV. Many people in cities do not own 'dailies'...

Ha, really! Dude he is the leather man!

Yes! I am much happier with my 5 spokes now, so easy to get inside the wheel and clean it up!

Its not a fixation, its something which most people voting to leave do not seem to be considering but is the one thing that is most likely to have the biggest impact on individual lives if we do leave. I see your point above (although you can vote), but that is part of the price you pay to be in a more powerful trading position. To make a large trading group made up of different economies work, you need consistent rules across the group.

Good stuff fella, will own one of these at some point I am sure! Shame about the refurbs, amazing how many companies react so badly when challenged on their workmanship, just shows how commercially idiotic some people are.

Darren is the 4th emergency service

Just don't pay it, it doesnt cost £100 an hour to park there...

Get an R34 GTR in Bayside Blue and be done with it!

Ha! I actually agree with some parts of the article, but I was really just trying to add some balance to it For reference, I have clicked Unsure on my poll but swerving towards staying until I see something concrete from the Leave campaign that says what business model they are going to adopt (i.e. bi-lateral like the Swiss, Customs Union like Turkey or just a Free Trade Agreement (which I would put my money on if we left) etc.)

Its not fear, its understanding the reality of how we currently work as a trading partner in the EU.Its about making an informed decision. Are you being a coward if before you bought a car you looked into the history, understood as much about the car as you can, checked it over with an expert before you stumped up your cash - would a braver person stomp across the forecourt and slap ten grand on the table and swipe the keys away without even looking at it?

Honestly, read up, its not a leap its a fact and many countries trade in this way with the EU now. For example any country trading with the EU under a Free Trade Agreement whilst not under the EU banner is automatically subject to tariffs, lets take for example the Central External Tariff. Under this tariff food stuffs are subject to 15% and cars 10% duty to the importing country outside the EU which we will have to pay. So you immediately have those tariffs imposed on imports from the EU to the UK. The opposite also applies, exporting into the EU will be subject to additional tariffs. In terms of the trading deals that will need to be struck, we will also have to negotiate what is effectively a debate on 'do you need us more than we need you' - at the moment we run at a trading deficit, we import more goods than we export, you could argue that means we need them more than they need us. Its more difficult to dictate terms if you are in that financial arrangement with a trading partner. This is where the nervousness of major businesses are coming from, car manufacturers are one to consider, we export more cars than any other country in the UK, any financial impact on that trade will see the potential for manufacturers to up and move into an EU state to retain that trading status.

I would recommend you google keywords such as free trade agreements within the EU and similar, this will explain how we currently operate in a bloc which is effectively a free market vs how it works if you are outside it. Leaving will (and campaigners agree on this on both sides) result in negotiations of new trade agreements the outcome of which will impact GDP - this could be positive or negative. It impacts jobs, economy and trade its so wide reaching I guess this is why Adrian is shocked that people are not showing any interest. I also think referring to 1970's as a reason for why things would behave the same now is somewhat irrelevant, the economic landscape is so far different its like saying turbos are useless on cars, they didn't need them in the 70's so why need them now...