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Because women cannot do 100mph and do their make up, brush their hair and text their friends at the same time...

Yes the amount of extra laws required for an exit is mind-boggling. What happens to Brits in the EU working, I think from memory something like 250k of them, they would all effectively need working visas, would they then fall under local laws that dictate they have to speak the local language to work there? I would suspect this is why the Leave campaign are preying on the people that know little about this and promising to close the borders because immigrants cost the country so much (ignoring the fact that long term British born unemployed are a huge drain on the country) which is not true and something which is pretty much unenforceable.

Can't believe Nissan didn't fix it given the warning, although I wonder if a hacker would do something malicious to thousands of cars given it is almost too easy to do, no kudos for a decent hacker to do this. Interesting points above GZ - had a quick google on wiki about Germany and they have a different approach to incentivising EV use, they get free parking, use bus lanes etc. They are currently well behind their target of 1m EVs by 2020 so financial tax breaks are being planned by the government. There are also extra taxes on ICE cars we dont have such as private usage of company car taxes which make EVs more appealing. I don't think its actually taking off that well in Germany by the sounds of it and the public need a shot in the arm financially to take them up.

Is the Nissan badge stuck on the passenger side dash stock too?

Celica GT4 I hope...

Oh blimey, what was wrong with it, anything outside of the issues listed above?

When did the front slats change? Was that for Revup?

Just as a side note, writing letters to CEOs is incredibly powerful - I bought some cricket tickets for my parents to watch England Australia for their 40th wedding anniversary, they love cricket and had never had the chance to see Eng Aus. Turned out England played a hugely weakened side and were hammered so I wrote to the then CEO of English Cricket saying that they didnt see their heroes and saw England getting thumped in a game they clearly couldnt win. It was also down in Southampton so they had to stay in a hotel which cost money etc. and I felt it really took away from the experience. Two weeks later a genuine signed team photo (i.e. not a print) arrived in the post from the full England squad along with a letter from the CEO personally apologising, explaining the reasons for team selection along with a wedding anniversary gift from the England cricket team!

A significant constitutional change in the UK could trigger another demand for a referendum I believe - however this has to be approved by Westminster, and their stance was very much it was a once in a generation opportunity which in political years is what, 20 years? Just something to bear in mind as well, that the price of oil since the Scottish referendum has absolutely plummeted by something like 40% (good news for V6 owners though!) and shows how volatile an economy reliant on Oil is.

Still wouldnt mind seeing the advert, seems odd that it might have been sold as an HR, did you pay HR money for it?

So what you're saying is, you're in no position to confirm either the state of banana bending or the reinstatement of imperial weights and measures, in a post-exit world? Thanks! Bananas should be bent, they are bent in every episode of Bananaman I ever watched which is as everyone knows gospel on the subject of bananas

I did a stats and economics degree and work as an operations director at a well know big data company which links to major retailers in the UK, the economic lie of the land is important to the company I work in - and I just find this sort of thing fascinating and read up on stuff most weeks - yes I know Edit: my thesis at uni was an appraisal of the UKs seven tests of existence within monetary union, wrote that back in 1998 though!

Not true? Get under the car, pull out the cats, put the HFCs in in place?

I think your post sums it up Wayne, there is very little in the way of objective views on this in a format that can be read by someone who hasn't the inclination to plow through endless technical documents. Best thing is to dispel the minorities, so arguments like health tourists are so few and far between and in the grand scheme of things cost the country pennies - arguments around these sorts of things are to be had and it shouldn't happen, but its not this sort of thing that would hold a country back from being prosperous. These sorts of issues are best left to the column inches in trash papers like the Mail in all honesty. Its not easy for countries to join the EU, Turkey fail a number of tests and have done for years and have to work through bi-lateral agreements - they don't just let anyone in, the real issue is allowing countries to join the Euro in which case they need to prove further their economic capabilities. The negotiations Cameron has just had with regards apply totally to 'people living off the state who never put into it' in effect we will be able to boot out anyone who hasn't found work within 6 months for instance. In my view Cameron could have done better, he seems a bit of a soft touch compared to some previous leaders. Most observers (CBI for instance) have done plenty of research on the benefits of being in the EU, there are net worth estimates of something in the region of £65bn, how accurate this is open to debate but most will say there is a net worth to being in it - you put in £12bn you get out £77bn. What the Leave campaigners have to convince me is that our outside EU trading will give a bigger net worth, which again it isn't and hasn't tried to establish.

Phew thank god, that was a close one!

As above, decats are really loud, I found Miltek with HFCs gave a great sound on my Zed. Loud enough whilst trundling along then really came on loud when giving it a bit of throttle.

This is a separate issue, foreign aid is something signed up to globally (the US is the highest contributor of foreign aid for instance), however I have a few issues with it and it shouldn't work as it stands. I am not against a country which is relatively wealthy per head helping a poor country where people die because they get a cold, or that half of all children die before the age of 5 etc. But firstly the money is not used properly, the governments in receipt often spend the money badly. Secondly, the countries in the UN who signed up to it signed up to give a % of GDP but many countries are using back doors to get out of paying the full amount. The UK stands but this commitment, many other countries do not.

PS, none of these responses are aimed at you JP at a personal level, I imagine your reasons for leaving are probably the same as the majority who want out - clearly there is a common theme there that people arent happy with.

It is a debate if the Leave campaign had some business plan for the exit, you could quite viably debate the benefits that they have researched and presented. OK - if I were to put numbers against it then - based on other countries, the rules and regs stay in play to around 80-90% exiting will not change this. Freedom of movement is part and parcel of being allowed to operate in the free market for example, I suspect they might though allow you to take EU markings of tyres Additionally we pay a tax if you like to be in the EU of 6% (£12bn to get £300bn imports and £200bn exports), to give context a start point for anything coming into the UK is going to be at least 20% based on how we trade with the US currently. That in a nutshell makes me think throwing caution to wind to something that currently has no economic or legal basis means, I cannot justify voting Leave on that basis. How about we put it this way, worst case scenario cost to taxpayer numbers that have been tossed around have been £3000-£4000 per year, disregarding for a minute the arguments behind it and whether its true or not, to Leave and get the benefits you believe it will bring, are you willing to possibly be £4000 a year out of pocket? If you are willing to take that financial chance for an independent UK then by all means you cannot debate anyone wanting to vote Leave.

To be fair, its easier to put an argument to stay as facts are there as we have been living it for years - the Leave campaign have to try and pull together theoretical arguments which is tougher - that said, I have yet to see from the Leave campaign any sort of plan, even one without numbers, even the basics like who are they going to recruit to start, run and maintain the trade relations? There needs to be some business plan for me to be convinced to vote Leave, even if they estimate numbers (like you have to on most business plans) but there is nothing on the table and I struggle to vote for nothing?

When we joined the EU there were 9 states in it, now there are 28, in terms of having 9.5% that is actually x3 more than based on counts alone i.e. 100%/28. When we have 20% of 9 states we only had x2 more based on counts, numerically its still a good place to be The main problem with the EU voting from a UK perspective is that the majority of EU countries want closer integration whereas the UK wants to still retain clear space, which is what a lot of Camerons recent talks were about, he was basically arguing our soveringty against 20+ countries all wanting something else of which he got reasonable success. But yes generally our votes lose as we want something the majority do not want.

Which is why this is a debate, if there were an answer then we would all just vote for the best choice, the problem with economics is its unpredictability. In terms of the £12bn, you could do lots of things, you would want to avoid protectionism where the government uses the money to prop up businesses that are not viable - but yes you could pump lots of cash into supporting new businesses which would improve the peformance of business in this country that would be pretty clear cut. What isn't clear cut is if the costs of running those businesses if trading with the EU outweighs the investment which no one really knows as there is no precedent for what the UK is wanting to do. If the EU digs its heels in we are FUBAR regardless of £33m per day, if it plays ball we will be in a good position...that sounds appealing, but I dont think people appreciate what a good position we have already economically.

Take the cats out and put in decats

We pay £20bn a year, around £8bn we get back as a rebate so around £10bn-£12bn to be in the EU. We trade around £500bn yearly with the EU with a deficit in terms of imports vs exports. We are heavily dependent on the EU for many imports. If we retain status quo with the EU in terms of what we import then we need to make sure any additional tariffs for our £300bn imports do not exceed £12bn otherwise we are already out of pocket. Alternatively we could trade more with other countries in Asia and the Americas for example, but we would be a small country negotiating with economic powerhouses like the US and China, there is a danger they just hang us out and charge what they like. That £12bn effectively buys us access to the largest free trade market in the world worth something like £10tn - the UK is one of if not the largest member of the EU for foreign investment. The price is that £12bn plus the lack of unilateral decision making on key issues that give us this access (such as immigration). If we pull out, we don't get that £12bn back, it will be used to supplement trade agreements...

The man in the street will suffer, its the exact issue that people seem to miss. Yes the Financial sector would be impacted, but so would foodstuffs for example, where do you think the majority of your bacon comes from because its not UK farms, they mostly arrive with a Danish accent. If the agreements are not favourable (and this is the debate really, how well can the UK negotiate? If we do well then we are ok, if we don't then we will see tariffs put on common products that we import) then cost of everyday goods goes up that we have to import from the EU. Have you not noticed when buying something for your car from the EU vs buying it from the US how much more you have to pay to get the US good here? I know its not exactly the same thing as negotiating bi-lateral agreements, but it shows the man on the street is very much affected.