Rob_Quads Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I am now looking at getting the paintwork on my 2nd hand Black Z back up to scratch - well not scrach up to a high standard. Ideally to get rid of all the minor scratches and amazingly shocking orange peel I want to get out the 2000 grit paper to get the paint 100% flat. As the car is not laquered and its a straight colour anyone know if they use a decent amount of paint? Don't want to flat it and get though to primer. I would hope there is more than enough paint to flat it back a bit before polishing but thought i would ask first anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I am now looking at getting the paintwork on my 2nd hand Black Z back up to scratch - well not scrach up to a high standard. Ideally to get rid of all the minor scratches and amazingly shocking orange peel I want to get out the 2000 grit paper to get the paint 100% flat. As the car is not laquered and its a straight colour anyone know if they use a decent amount of paint? Don't want to flat it and get though to primer. I would hope there is more than enough paint to flat it back a bit before polishing but thought i would ask first anyway. dont do the sandpaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 lol 2000 is nothing. The difference between a car that has been polished and one that has been properly flatted and polished in amazing, the darker the car the more obvious it is. In the middle of doing a car which has had 1500, 2000 and 3000!!! after a new paintjob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 lol 2000 is nothing. The difference between a car that has been polished and one that has been properly flatted and polished in amazing, the darker the car the more obvious it is.In the middle of doing a car which has had 1500, 2000 and 3000!!! after a new paintjob yep know what your saying , only I dont think the standard paint thickness is too great on the nissan?., when I put my rear spoiler on I rubbed the boot down to key the surface with some 2000 paper, prior to appling adhesive , and it soon took the top coat out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 Ouch that means there is sod all paint on these things Time to find someone with a device to measure the thickness of the paint. Probably a sign of why it chips so easily, the paint is not thick enough to bond together well enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 If you do find someone with the right kit to measure the paint thickness, let us all know, as there is a train of thought that the paint on the Z is very, VERY thin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Yeah I think the paint on the zed is one of its weak links. Due to it being waterbased makes it very thin, and very prone to stone chips In the past I have even been warned against using T-Cut due to the lack of paint there is to play with Did I post something semi useful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 yeah, well done mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickya Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 On the edge of the door where it touches e.g. the garage wall when you open it there are a couple of small chips in the paint. But not like you would usually expect one of these to look like. Normally it would be a chip made up of differing layers of paint removed so it has a rough finish where one tiny bit is thicker & thinner almost like a grating effect. But both these little chips on the Zed are just perfect lumps of paint gone in one lump with bare meatl underneath! Its as if there were hardly any coats of paint underneath & whatever paint therew was just dropped off in a neat little lump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 It may be worth a look at one of these. Seem very well rated http://www.autopia-carcare.com/inf-port ... isher.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 Personally I would just get professional mop than one of those. Only thing it has on its side is that its slightly lighter than a standard mop although looks to be more expensive once you've paid all the taxes etc. Looks like I will just have to settle for mopping the car with some G3 and then polishing it & waxing it. Shame as on a black car its noticable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riva66 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Rob Check this thread out, talks about buffing a Kuro 350 with Meguiars products and a Porter Cable might be useful. http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showth ... light=350z Also for black have you tried Blackfire Sealant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Nah - tried a few and found.. ScratchX was good for a hand removal SSR1/SSR2 - Gave a nice deep black colour back to the car but did not quite remove the swirls I have just got hold of some SSR2.5 which I have been recommended. THe next stop was that Blackfire Sealant as I had seen a couple people mention that with good results on a black car. 'IF' it stays dry this weekend I want to give it a good pre-winter clean and polish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Don't want to alarm you any more than necessary, but this is what happened when I tried to rub out a minor scratch using Turtle Wax Scratch remover - I'm really pi**ed off and I reckon it will be difficult to repair without a respray of the panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buds Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Eek!! thats not good at all. Sorry to see that, but will bear it in mind when im viewing Z's. You cant reall buff out scratches safely with cutting agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Don't want to alarm you any more than necessary, but this is what happened when I tried to rub out a minor scratch using Turtle Wax Scratch remover - I'm really pi**ed off and I reckon it will be difficult to repair without a respray of the panel. How old is your car? You might not have actually done any harm, its just you have brought back to life you paint - just in a small area. When I polished my black car the area that I polished visibly a different black. Chances are if you gave the whole car a good polish it would even out the shades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Nice thought, Rob, but I don't think that's the answer. The car has been very thoroughly polished and there is a very good surface all over it. The photo doesn't really show it well, but it would appear that I have removed the gloss lacquer layer and have cut down to the underlyng base coat of the Gunmetal finish. Lesson learned the hard way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Would be very supprised if you were able to rub through the laquer with just scratch remover. With wet and dry or a PC maybe but not with hand scratch remover. My car only changed colour when i machine polished the car. hand polishing didn't give the same results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'm now scared to try anything else. Would it be worth getting Chipsaway or similar to look at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riva66 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Jeez, is Nissan Paint really that soft? Ive been using Scratch X for years on various cars and finishes and never ever 'achieved' that! Even polishing with a Porter Cable at Speed 5 doesnt take paint off like that If this isnt normal on a 350 (and it cant be surely) id be inclined to get the paint checked by an independent paint specialist to see if there is a problem with it. just my 2 peneth Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16BT Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Rather alarmed to see these postings on 350Z paint. I have a Ebisu Black Roadster on order for Jan. 2007. Are all Zs that prone to stone chips? Have had a TT Roadster for 5 years and just a couple of stone chips in that time. Have heard that blue is a "softer" paint and is more prone to chips. Is that true? Perhaps forum members can give their views as to the susceptibility of stonechips on different colours. Have had a Kuro Black X-Trail for 3 years and the paint quality seems fine. Perhaps Nissan are cuttting costs on paint thickness just on Zs?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i have a blade roadster and the front is peppered in stone chips what makes it worst is the black plastic shows through. max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Rather alarmed to see these postings on 350Z paint. I have a Ebisu Black Roadster on order for Jan. 2007. Are all Zs that prone to stone chips? Have had a TT Roadster for 5 years and just a couple of stone chips in that time. Have heard that blue is a "softer" paint and is more prone to chips. Is that true? Perhaps forum members can give their views as to the susceptibility of stonechips on different colours.Have had a Kuro Black X-Trail for 3 years and the paint quality seems fine. Perhaps Nissan are cuttting costs on paint thickness just on Zs?? The blue is a nightmare for stone chips. Mine is 2yr old and although it had a load before I picked it up, its in need of a good respray. First thing I will be doing after and I would recommend to you is to Paintshield it to protect against stonechips when new!....... The Zeds are known for having stonechip issues, but always going to worse for some people depending on colour and roads driven/mileage etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 My blue's well peppered too, don't think its just the blue either mate. Seems to be that everyone is complaining about the chips regardless of colour, your X-Trail sits far higher though so probably explains why you haven't really experienced many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomoto Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 My blue's well peppered too, don't think its just the blue either mate. Seems to be that everyone is complaining about the chips regardless of colour, your X-Trail sits far higher though so probably explains why you haven't really experienced many. not just Nissans suffer from this , most low sports cars I have owned seem to get their fair share of chips , the Porsche Boxster S I borrowed at the weekend was peppered... ask the lads who saw it . plus the wheels had corroded to buggery.. all at 40K miles (worse than any Zed I've seen ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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