Jetpilot Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Maggz said: Context is needed here. LePen is a leader of a hard right, racist party, which she is trying desperately to show as a moderate one. Google about her dad, who started it. She's been funded by Russia for years, not even a secret. Any party which wants to break up the union gets money from Ruskies. Italy and their 5 star movement is even worse, but I really don't want to suffocate everyone with my walls of text, it would need to be a totally separate thread, although I did mention Italy in a lengthy post. Those two should in my honest opinion not be used as any indication of European countries, as they represent a very small minority of pi**ed off right wing, anti immigration, EU fund guzzling communities/parties. Poland tho, is a mistery to me as they're split heavily internally between people wanting their president to become an autocrat and those that want him hanged. Same in Hungary with Orban. I agree about context, so that isnt the whole continent scratching their heads trying to understand the leave vote as you said earlier, its funny how so many times in this country we are chastised for not listening, condemning or ignoring minorities but when it comes to a minority people dont agree with, it is dulled down and insignificant, listen to the minority banging on in this thread, you cant have it both ways! It is early days with uprisings against the eu establishment and the uk has been the first to pull the pin, i would bet my left nut once we are finally done (whichever way that may be except revoking article 50) you will see a momentum from those minorities who want their voice heard about their contempt for the Eu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Sooooo happy we're leaving the bastards from EU, I mean who wants cheaper car parts from Japan?! We will have so much better deal with Japan, they'll beg us to trade with them! "“If all goes well, it should be able to enter force on February 1,” she told Reuters in an interview. “The agreement is not only sending a signal to the world. It is also extremely advanced when it comes to opening markets." The EU-Japan agreement will remove EU tariffs of 10 percent on Japanese cars and 3 percent for most car parts. It will scrap Japanese duties of some 30 percent on EU cheese and 15 percent on wines as well as open access to public tenders in Japan." https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-japan-trade/eu-japan-free-trade-deal-cleared-for-early-2019-start-idUSKBN1OB1EN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Oh, the to top it up for me, a bloody Romanian helped making this happen, the EU's ambassador in Japan...https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2018/02/20/people/strong-growth-potential-seen-asia-europe/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Adrian@TORQEN said: Sooooo happy we're leaving the bastards from EU, I mean who wants cheaper car parts from Japan?! We will have so much better deal with Japan, they'll beg us to trade with them! Why wouldnt they want to trade with us? We are/were the 2nd largest economy in the EU, 5th in the World, do people honestly think we wont survive without suckling at the eu teat and if they have agreed free trade deal with the eu, no reason why we cant follow suit. You do realise which country you have set up a very successful business dont you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Did I say they won't trade with UK, eventually? http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/agreement-explained/ "The negotiations began in 2013 are expected to ended in 2017." and "If all goes well, it should be able to enter force on February 1, 2019" That's 6 years of negotiations from the date we're free to start negotiating trade deals with other countries on our own. Why missing 6 years of good business? I'm sure everyone in here will be happy to see Nissan and Nismo prices reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggz Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jetpilot said: I agree about context, so that isnt the whole continent scratching their heads trying to understand the leave vote as you said earlier, its funny how so many times in this country we are chastised for not listening, condemning or ignoring minorities but when it comes to a minority people dont agree with, it is dulled down and insignificant, listen to the minority banging on in this thread, you cant have it both ways! It is early days with uprisings against the eu establishment and the uk has been the first to pull the pin, i would bet my left nut once we are finally done (whichever way that may be except revoking article 50) you will see a momentum from those minorities who want their voice heard about their contempt for the Eu. Oh boy.... You've mentioned 3 or 4 countries out of over 20. So yes majority of EU countries are scratching their heads. 1 out of those you mentioned is not even a full country but a single party not even close to any majority. It's like saying UKIP represents the UKs opinion. LePen basically is the French UKIP, just a lot more extreme. After the Brexit vote individual European country initiatives for exiting reduced by half. After UK goes to the gutter for a decade, the rest of the initiatives will cease to exist as well probably. You mentioned it's early days with uprisings against the EU establishment, this part clearly shows you are paying zero interest in any EU country development as this is totally opposite of any reports in the last 2 years. You're talking out of your ass mate Edited December 12, 2018 by Maggz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Maggz said: After the Brexit vote individual European country initiatives for exiting reduced by half. After UK goes to the gutter for a decade, the rest of the initiatives will cease to exist as well probably. You'd better get out while you can then mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Maggz said: It's like saying UKIP represents the UKs opinion. LePen basically is the French UKIP, just a lot more extreme. You're talking out of your ass mate And why do you think Cameron offered the referendum, anything to with the growing popularity of Ukip possibly, 52% said they want independence remember. I could put up some info re other member states feelings towards the EU but no doubt they wont suit you so a pointless discussion! Talking out my ass, no dude, you just dont like being pulled up on your ridiculous sweeping statements Edited December 12, 2018 by Jetpilot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jetpilot said: could put up some info re other member states feelings towards the EU but no doubt they wont suit you so a pointless discussion! Source: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggz Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 52 minutes ago, Jetpilot said: Why wouldnt they want to trade with us? We are/were the 2nd largest economy in the EU, 5th in the World, do people honestly think we wont survive without suckling at the eu teat and if they have agreed free trade deal with the eu, no reason why we cant follow suit. You do realise which country you have set up a very successful business dont you? Largest economy isn't everything. Largest market by population is just as important if not more. American companies selling goods don't necessarily care how much turnover the UK has, but how many people will buy their products. So the UK is not really important with only 60M people compared to EU, US, China, etc. These are not my words btw ... Obama's government said that the US needs trade deals with biggest markets and the UK will have to wait it's turn due to its size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Does quite work like that though does it ? Bmw sells 11% of its cars to us meager 60 million in the Uk but only sells 7% to the 1.4 billion in china. There also needs to be demand and wealth for sales. Bmw sells 0 cars to the 1.4 billion in Africa.... because they can't afford them. The UK has massive buying power. Edited December 12, 2018 by Bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bullet said: Does quite work like that though does it ? Bmw sells 11% of its cars to us meager 60 million in the Uk but only sells 7% to the 1.4 billion in china. There also needs to be demand and wealth for sales. Bmw sells 0 cars to the 1.4 billion in Africa.... because they can't afford them. The UK has massive buying power. What's the source for these figures? Stats based on https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0276062EN/bmw-group-sells-more-than-2-million-vehicles-in-2017-so-far?language=en 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Pretty sure comparing China is pointless, they manufacture there own rip off EU cars.https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/chinese-copycat-cars-can-you-spot-the-western-inspiration-behind-these-designs-a7015966.html?amp=&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s Hong Kong however would be different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggz Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 29 minutes ago, Adrian@TORQEN said: What's the source for these figures? Stats based on https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0276062EN/bmw-group-sells-more-than-2-million-vehicles-in-2017-so-far?language=en Oh stop it with all the numbers, and logic. This is not what this thread is about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 She's staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 What a waste of time that was. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 55 minutes ago, Jay84 said: Pretty sure comparing China is pointless, they manufacture there own rip off EU cars.https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/chinese-copycat-cars-can-you-spot-the-western-inspiration-behind-these-designs-a7015966.html?amp=&usqp=mq331AQECAFYAQ%3D%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s Hong Kong however would be different... Exactly what i said, there needs to be a demand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Adrian@TORQEN said: What's the source for these figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 44 minutes ago, Maggz said: Oh stop it with all the numbers, and logic. This is not what this thread is about Lol you're a joke, those numbers, and logic crap all over your logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bullet said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Adrian@TORQEN said: Yep and in the last 8 years the 300 million people in the states have decided to buy 7% less Bmw's showing that its not all about how many people there are, so still craps on mr vested interest argument. Edited December 12, 2018 by Bullet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Bullet, pipe down with your aggressive posting or you'll find yourself removed from this thread. By all means make your points, but stop with the childish insults please. Your numbers were wrong, just hold your hands up and say you didn't realise instead of trying to shout louder. This is an internet forum, not Parliament! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Adrian@TORQEN said: Source: While you are all whittling about sources, you do realise that you are putting up graphs funded by the Eu where the Eu are asking people if they thought the Eu was good ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Ekona said: This is an internet forum, not Parliament! ORDER, ORDER! Everyone will get their chance to be heard! Order! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 *nicks the big metal rod and does a runner* 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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