-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Right so as you know my engine was rebuilt. Everything except for the Valves and the pistons where replaced. and i mean everything, every bolt, gasket, seal you can think of was replaced, oil pump water pump, chains etc.. everything. heads skimmed crank reground polished etc.. So anyway, car drives sweet. However, its still the same as before and still smokes. I've replaced the PCV valve which was blowing both ways, but its not made a difference, where could the oil be going?? Its smoking when hard driven over 5k+ rpm. Before you ask, i drove it like miss daisy for 1000 miles before driving hard so its not like i didnt run it in lol. Just want to find out if anything else breather wise can fail? Or could it be caused by the valves? they were all checked and resealed/reground etc.. thanks in advance. Brad. Quote
coldel Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 What oil grade did you put in? (Not that I know much about engines, but maybe a first port of call is to try a different/thicker oil?) Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Have tried both 5 30 and 10 40, both do the same :/ Quote
Richf Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 So you say the pistons werent replaced , was the block re-honed and new rings fitted ? Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 So you say the pistons werent replaced , was the block re-honed and new rings fitted ? Yeah! Quote
Tricky-Ricky Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Where the valve stem seals replaced? other than that have you noticed the oil level dropping? could be that the rings havent bedded in due to driving too miss Daisy. Edited May 31, 2016 by Tricky-Ricky 1 Quote
ZMANALEX Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Blue smoke: Bore wear, Pistons, Piston oil rings, valve stem oil seals or valve guides. White smoke: Coolant. Edited May 31, 2016 by ZMANALEX 2 Quote
ZMANALEX Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Also remember that OEM cats and after market decats make a huge difference to blue smoke emission. Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Right so cars got blueish/more white than blue smoke, oil level dropping fast, has straight through decats on it, have hooned it the 2nd thousand miles lol. will do another oil change tomorrow night as i noticed it was dirty again after the hoon around scotland! but it has to be valve related i suppose? Valve stem seals where replaced. one was really worn which we thought was the whole cause. Quote
Richf Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Was the block honed by an engineering shop or at home ? Quote
Ebized Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Right so cars got blueish/more white than blue smoke, oil level dropping fast, has straight through decats on it, have hooned it the 2nd thousand miles lol. will do another oil change tomorrow night as i noticed it was dirty again after the hoon around scotland! but it has to be valve related i suppose? Valve stem seals where replaced. one was really worn which we thought was the whole cause. With that comment I have highlighted surely a head gasket, or crack? Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Right so cars got blueish/more white than blue smoke, oil level dropping fast, has straight through decats on it, have hooned it the 2nd thousand miles lol. will do another oil change tomorrow night as i noticed it was dirty again after the hoon around scotland! but it has to be valve related i suppose? Valve stem seals where replaced. one was really worn which we thought was the whole cause. With that comment I have highlighted surely a head gasket, or crack? New gasket, block and heads were pressure tested for cracks etc.. Was honed by the builder not the machinist. Quote
Richf Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Honed using one of those tools that attach to an electric drill ? Do a compression and leakdown test 1 Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Honed using one of those tools that attach to an electric drill ? Do a compression and leakdown test Believe so! Will do a compression test tomorrow night. Cheers. Quote
Richf Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Its really hard to get a decent enough surface to allow the rings to bed in correctly using one of those tools 1 Quote
-Bradders- Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Its really hard to get a decent enough surface to allow the rings to bed in correctly using one of those tools Hopefully i can find the suspect with a compression test Quote
Tricky-Ricky Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Where they std rings that where fitted? i wold also presume that the valve guides where also replaced? as said if the hone was not done correctly the rings will not bed in and this can cause oil burning, it should show up on a compression test but, leak down will be a better indicator of a good/bad seal. 1 Quote
Jetpilot Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Right so cars got blueish/more white than blue smoke, oil level dropping fast, has straight through decats on it, have hooned it the 2nd thousand miles lol. will do another oil change tomorrow night as i noticed it was dirty again after the hoon around scotland! but it has to be valve related i suppose? Valve stem seals where replaced. one was really worn which we thought was the whole cause. With that comment I have highlighted surely a head gasket, or crack? New gasket, block and heads were pressure tested for cracks etc.. I have a Mazda Bongo which are prone to heads cracking, mine did this recently, the garage suggested a pressure test wasnt entirely accurate as they cannot test it hot, so whilst it might show fine cold, once up to temp its a different story. Disclaimer to not knowing whether this is strictly accurate. Quote
veilside z Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Hope the pressure test finds the culprit and is a relatively easy fix Quote
Floydbax Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 When I first got mine Brad, the guy I bought it off told me it never used any oil between services. I check my oil regularly and it was using a load, no smoke that I noticed though. The guys at my bro's Porsche tuners who have in the past built a few DE's and really know their stuff, reckon it was because the previous owners had 'driven Miss Daisy ' and the rings were not properly worn in until I'd got it (even at 66000Mls) and my driving style is coming from an FTO MIVEC which needs thrashing to the redline of 8300RPM to exploit it. Now the oil consumption has stablised to - not very much. I still redline it constantly and it uses less and less every 1000 miles. I hope this scenario is what's up with yours after all that time. effort and money Quote
-Bradders- Posted June 1, 2016 Author Posted June 1, 2016 When I first got mine Brad, the guy I bought it off told me it never used any oil between services. I check my oil regularly and it was using a load, no smoke that I noticed though. The guys at my bro's Porsche tuners who have in the past built a few DE's and really know their stuff, reckon it was because the previous owners had 'driven Miss Daisy ' and the rings were not properly worn in until I'd got it (even at 66000Mls) and my driving style is coming from an FTO MIVEC which needs thrashing to the redline of 8300RPM to exploit it. Now the oil consumption has stablised to - not very much. I still redline it constantly and it uses less and less every 1000 miles. I hope this scenario is what's up with yours after all that time. effort and money After scotland.... i think it has been thrashed beyond its means lol. Quote
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