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Buy some decent wipers then

I actually thought it was a pretty reasoned debate, really. It didn't descend into farce, and both sides made good points.

*turning ;)

That could be taken in a completely wrong context

I'm not saying that high-speed is not a consideration, indeed I suspect it's a very important part, but I don't think it's the primary one. If I had to sort them, and I'm only guessing here, I'd say this: Lateral grip in dry conditions Feedback (feel) Ability to take high torque at standstill Stability at high speed (coping with high speed in general) Lateral grip in wet conditions ...and a billion other things I'm probably missing.

Can't speak for Renault or Honda, but Seat use MPSC2s. "Wheel offset and tyre size (235/35R19) remain as before but the Bridgestones or Pirellis of standard cars are replaced by the Michelin Pilot Cup Sport 2s." http://www.pistonhea...?storyId=29599‎

That's for the PS2, and nowhere does it state that the tyre was designed for high-speed. Designed to cope with, yes, but not specifically for.

Ultimately that's true, it's a marketing thing, however the big guys don't want to put crap tyres on their supercars: They want the best, so the reviews will be positive and they'll sell more. Also that's missing the one key ingredient that ultimately is more important that anything else, which is that current Zed owners have used the MPSS and are saying that they're worth every penny. Take that into account with the stats that the EU make them put on now, and you ultimately have enough info to make a decision. Also, the PSS are not designed for top speed. That's hogwash, and I'd like to see the source that came from. They were designed to be the best all-rounder, there's a ton of development journo stuff from a couple of years back when these were being made and the journos got invited to test days.

But you're not the OP?

I think the wear issue is worth re-stating again, just for clarity. If Tyres A lasts for 10K miles and costs £100, and Tyre B lasts for 25K miles and costs £200, Tyre B is still the better buy regardless of how you drive. The fact that Tyre B is also the class leader in handling and noise is just a bonus.

Good luck getting one of those for less than £18K.

Wow, sh*t got real on this thread without my help. That's a first. The OP asked if there was any tyre noticeably better than what he has now. Unless you're prepared to argue that the 040s are as good as the MPSS, then I'd argue this thread was done about 40 posts ago. Even if you never go anywhere near the extra performance available from the MPSS, the wear rate and wet grip alone make them ideal for anyone from Johnny Speedster to Doris Shopping-trolley. When the numpty pulls out in front of you or slams the anchors on unexpectedly, you may very well be glad that you spent a bit extra getting a tyre that gives maximum grip in all conditions and reduces braking distances.

You have no idea the amount of spell checking I do

I don't like the outside either, tbh. It does look a bit droopy and saggy and bulbous, but I do like the colour and the inside is massively better than the 370Z. Still not a patch on the equivalent BMW or Audi, but it's a bit bifferent and probably has a bit more character than anything from either brand (M/RS cars excluded).

It is the best for: Dry road handling Wet road handling Wear rate Noise and fuel economy are irrelevant in a a car that does 23mpg and is noisy from the factory, IMHO. That said, the tyres are marked as C and E for fuel economy front and rear respectively, which beats the 453 at F for both, and they're marked as 71dB which is less than the 72dB again for the 453. Wet handling is defined as A, up against the B of the 453. Even the AD08 (a very good tyre) only achieves fuel efficiency of F, noise of 75 and wet handling of B. I agree with the general point that best is subjective (hell, I've used that argument myself enough times!), but really the MPSS is so far ahead of the competition that it makes the point null and void.

They might, but that would probably then make 2/3 of the internet dyslexic which is significantly higher than the norm. If we assume that 10% actually are dyslexic (as per the BDA), then that makes approx 50% of people who post gibberish nonsense (even though they have a full keyboard in front of them and completed over 10 years of full-time eduction) just lazy. Given that, I'm massively confident that when I pick someone up on atrocious posting, I've a better than 1/5 chance of being correct Also, we all know that any argument on the internet is immediately rendered invalid by a single typo.

Okay.

I genuinely have no idea what speed the Aventador was doing, but the Mazda was 100% to blame here. Utter *****.

So out of curiosity, did you ever get round to making sure that everyone you sold bits to actually got their stuff or got refunds? I remember you were a bit lacking on that last time.

Ditch all four and get the MPSS all round. Just changing the backs to MPSS will give you loads of understeer due to the 040s (presumably?) having much less grip in all conditions.

Either works for me

It makes more difference on a stock exhaust: On an aftermarket exhaust, you'll hear that over any intake noise.

Master cylinder has gone. Same thing happened to me, which is why I tell everyone to do slave AND master at the same time.

It was the first stuff I ever bought, years ago.

As basic as that stuff is, it's very good for beginners and certainly does what it says on the tin (bottle).