coldel

Disenfranchised?

Haha I didnt mean it like that mate Sorry, yes quoted by Graham

That is the point a lot of people on here are making (including the majority of us unknowing English-persons ) that its plain to see that on two levels you have the public voting Yes because they get all excited about beating their chests and shouting 'we are Scotland death to the English' and reading nonsense like that shown in the link Graham shared - and secondly that the people who will lead the first critical steps into a new era appear to be totally inadequate for the job of actually running a country. Had a very brief look at the 'Common Weal' without reading too far (am at work!) it is still a biased document although not as obvious as the trash propaganda that is being turned out - its not an objective document showing the strengths and weaknesses of each approach of governance - dare I say it the common weal sounds almost like a communist approach to government? Flame suit zipped up and at the ready...

I think the long term idea of an independent Scotland, which is up and running and things ticking over nicely is probably very appealing and why shouldn't it be to your average patriotic Scot. All the propaganda you see pretty much just straight to that i.e. 'our gas is worth x amount that means tomorrow we can give all your kids fifty quid a day' - it just seems to miss out the length and pain of transition and the risk involved.

I had a quick read as well, staggered that this is being peddled in a political arena. Even though all political parties bend the truth its a lot more difficult to get to the numbers behind it, this is just stuff that is made up, it is absurd in the extreme. But sad that some peoples research will involve reading this and taking it as read.

Ooooh darling - nooo - you would trust a Government (or any political party) to present figures impartially? Would also be particularly wary of claiming we have seen increased poverty / deprivation as a direct result of Westminster - certainly in terms of Social Policy this is a direct result of SNP refusing to ring fence funding and simply handing it to Local Authorities under general department purse - which is meant to ensure it goes where the locality need is highest - what it means in practice though is that the most prominent (loudest) Heads of Service get the biggest purse and divide it amongst their best buddies Has no one watched 'The thick of it'

What scares me more is that I know just as many 26, 36 and 46+ year olds as 16 year olds who vote based on what they read in tabloids. Unfortunately it is the way of the world that we have a few groups of voters that are too young, too patriotic, too easily influenced by trash media and simply too stubborn to listen to other ideas. But that's democracy for you.

Generally it is good natured banter, sometimes it gets much more than that. I still remember a bunch of English guys I was with on safari in Kenya years back, we found a shack with a TV to watch England vs Greece. There were a couple of Scots in there as well and they cheered loudly when Greece scored and we laughed along wryly, when we equalised a Scottish girl who was in our travelling group said we shouldn't cheer because the guys behind us wanted to hit us for it. Of course the roof went off when Beckham smashed in that equalizer, they never attacked us but we got all the evil stares you can imagine. But it got to that point, that we could not cheer our own country scoring a goal in football? That's not banter, that's bordering on racism driven violence. In other words, utter bell ends. Its not our fault we're tougher than you southerners Having seen photos of you on here Neil, I reckon you are tougher than all us southerners! But these guys certainly weren't, just some scrawny racists and were properly getting the hump and mouthing off and come the moment they bottled it Seriously, if Scotland wants to 'give it a go' because everyone reads some trashy papers and believes all the hype, then go for it. But it's not simply a case of just wandering back in if it doesn't work out. If it doesn't work out it is much tougher times ahead, for a long time, I wonder if the voting public are fully aware of what they really are voting for?

Generally it is good natured banter, sometimes it gets much more than that. I still remember a bunch of English guys I was with on safari in Kenya years back, we found a shack with a TV to watch England vs Greece. There were a couple of Scots in there as well and they cheered loudly when Greece scored and we laughed along wryly, when we equalised a Scottish girl who was in our travelling group said we shouldn't cheer because the guys behind us wanted to hit us for it. Of course the roof went off when Beckham smashed in that equalizer, they never attacked us but we got all the evil stares you can imagine. But it got to that point, that we could not cheer our own country scoring a goal in football? That's not banter, that's bordering on racism driven violence. In other words, utter bell ends.

Had a beer with a guy from Scotland who recently moved down to London, talked about this for a while, he is a qualified lawyer and now in a very good job in a global industry so not an idiot and can think objectively. He finds the vote utterly frustrating as there are just the usual splintered groups who beat chests and show Braveheart on replay on the TV at headquarters. Also the whole anti-English thing, even though there is plenty of more recent history of Germans bombing Glasgow and Argentines killing Scots they still cheer these countries on in football matches vs England because of what the English and Scottish got up to hundreds of years back. Although he still admitted finding himself doing it as well when back up with his old mates!

Yep exactly that, you dont want a shampoo laying down some poor substitute wax element as you wash it.

Given all that preaching, I was sat there with a Bailey's on ice as I typed it

I have the odd drink, but really as long as you are honest with yourself its no big deal i.e. "I only have three drinks a week doc" at your annual check up - when in reality its more like thirty. Its just as bad for you as eating too much red meat, not enough iron, eating anything from a high street food chain (Subway is horrendous), breathing in whilst outside at the Ace Cafe (North Circular the most polluted road in the UK)...we encounter bad health every day, as long as none of it is to excess! Its why I find all these 'guides' about having strict diets and eating sachets of gloop for a month just quite frustrating, as none of them recommend you get outside, go for a walk, take the stairs, play sport etc.

Love the wheels, they really suit a Zed, although going against popular opinion I would have gone for a silver colour than the dark shade!

I just wrapped mine in a matte black, it ironed out the texture quite well. As for not getting the gauges, as above, they don't just pop out, there are there to stay, you need to work around them and get it to sit correctly.

The bit around the gearstick is the easy part, its wrapping the upper centre console that will have you tearing your hair out, especially around the triple gauges.

Don't use sponges at all. Mitts all the way. Head over to the detailing world forum for a really in depth guide or if you want to stay and look here just search, detailing cars has been covered many a time.

Seriously, I mean seriously? The whole thing is just ridiculous, with the random guy turning up and offering to officiate! That said, there is almost a nobility about it that these two lads decided to sort it out without sneaking off and coming back with all their mates armed to the hilt with knives and whatnot, but still, shocking.

Can't believe the penny trick didnt make an appearance until the 12th post!

haha ok yeah, will give you that!

Yeah think you are right on the mod count, as soon as you click more than 3 it stops proceeding with the quote - also if you click supercharger it stops proceeding!

Decent buckets Actually Hensh, I would disagree about the time of year, absolutely now is the time to be regularly getting all the crap off the car, putting a decent layer of protection on it with some decent hard waxes and washing regularly given the amount of crap falling out of the sky

Usual brands are EBC which get mixed reviews, Black Diamond which so far have good reviews, Ferrodo which seem to be the recognised good 'uns but do come at a premium at over a hundred quid for a pair. Depends on how you drive mate, I used to pootle along with the occasional squirt on the throttle, nothing a middle of the road everyday set of pads couldn't handle.

Windows down, 50mph, sorts itself out in 30 seconds!

Lovely looking car and tastefully modded, seen a few reds and they look even better in the metal. Just as a side note, I would add the year of the car (as its on private plate not obvious), the engine spec, Tax and MoT expiry dates.