RobPhoboS Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Ok ye dirty sods - suspension bushes, just randomly found this video, looks informative so check it out: Edited January 21, 2015 by RobPhoboS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 Bloody useful vid guys. I'm glad to say it looks like the bushing I've bought seem to fit the bill in terms of what to look out for when purchasing them. (will start a thread on that soon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? No I didn't go full kit Stu, ...just replaced the front banana arm bushes as they where worn. Did feel better afterwards but then probably somewhat because the old ones where worn but still a worthwhile upgrade as the price difference between them & the OEM bushes was very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 No I didn't go full kit Stu, ...just replaced the front banana arm bushes as they where worn. Did feel better afterwards but then probably somewhat because the old ones where worn but still a worthwhile upgrade as the price difference between them & the OEM bushes was very small. I've gone from SuperPro on the banana arm back to stock, as the garage didn't want to press out the new one and replace it (ffs ). The difference is HUGE, the steering feels extremely dull without it. Thus I've bought a front end kit, plus steering rack bushes, and will sling the SP bush (well, Sly will ) as I want nice steering again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Nice vid RobboðŸ‘. @ Stu; the front bushes are the ones that commonly fail but all OEM rubber bushes fail to various degrees over time. Shrinking, perishing/cracking, tearing and full blown separation are all degrees of bushing failure. Therefore depending on the degree of failure you may get minimal symptoms or knocking to outright diabolical handling! If you consider that most zeds are over 10yrs old there are a lot out there that would benefit with bushing changes. There is nothing wrong with the OEM bushes except they are to soft and allow excessive mov't which dulls handing and eventually they will fail again bring made of rubber. Secondly the compression arm design was poor which leads to premature compresion bush failure. This issues was addressed by Nissan on the HR and 370z I think. Urethane is better but as the vid shows you need to get well designed ones. I have used Superpro, whiteline and energy suspension. Superpro are up there, whiteline a close second and energy suspension third because some of their bushes are poorly designed. However if you swap those bushes for superpro or whiteline equivalent as I have done for the 2 chaps here you end up with a competent package and some significant savings. Monoball/spherical/rose jointed bushes are the ultimate because there is no bind or stiction and there supension geometry is always maintained optimally as there is no unwanted mov't. However they don't last forever as they are prone to salt corrosion and they are impractical for daily driving. I have been lucky to have been able to swap to full urethane bushes in the past and again to solid monoball bushes which are currently on the car. I have also done the full urethane swap for 2 members here. So I can attest to the fact that every single bush showed significant wear. One thing is for certain the handling is night and day and if you have other suspension mods like ARB, coilovers and adjustable arms it further enhances them. I will be offering a drive in bushing replacement and general suspension service soon and there will be various packages to suit all budgets and usage but in anycase priced very competitively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 Great info there mate I do wish I had seen that video prior to my purchase but luckily, so far they seem to be designed properly, just need to be fitted (early Feb). I'll be making a thread in due course on the ones I've chosen and why, plus what I honestly think of them in my particular experience. Bennett, IF you had the time, it could well be worth popping some videos up as well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Nice vid Robboí ½í±. @ Stu; the front bushes are the ones that commonly fail but all OEM rubber bushes fail to various degrees over time. Shrinking, perishing/cracking, tearing and full blown separation are all degrees of bushing failure. Therefore depending on the degree of failure you may get minimal symptoms or knocking to outright diabolical handling! If you consider that most zeds are over 10yrs old there are a lot out there that would benefit with bushing changes. There is nothing wrong with the OEM bushes except they are to soft and allow excessive mov't which dulls handing and eventually they will fail again bring made of rubber. Secondly the compression arm design was poor which leads to premature compresion bush failure. This issues was addressed by Nissan on the HR and 370z I think. Urethane is better but as the vid shows you need to get well designed ones. I have used Superpro, whiteline and energy suspension. Superpro are up there, whiteline a close second and energy suspension third because some of their bushes are poorly designed. However if you swap those bushes for superpro or whiteline equivalent as I have done for the 2 chaps here you end up with a competent package and some significant savings. Monoball/spherical/rose jointed bushes are the ultimate because there is no bind or stiction and there supension geometry is always maintained optimally as there is no unwanted mov't. However they don't last forever as they are prone to salt corrosion and they are impractical for daily driving. I have been lucky to have been able to swap to full urethane bushes in the past and again to solid monoball bushes which are currently on the car. I have also done the full urethane swap for 2 members here. So I can attest to the fact that every single bush showed significant wear. One thing is for certain the handling is night and day and if you have other suspension mods like ARB, coilovers and adjustable arms it further enhances them. I will be offering a drive in bushing replacement and general suspension service soon and there will be various packages to suit all budgets and usage but in anycase priced very competitively. Sounds promising, no doubt you'll be miles away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Nice vid Robboí ½í±. @ Stu; the front bushes are the ones that commonly fail but all OEM rubber bushes fail to various degrees over time. Shrinking, perishing/cracking, tearing and full blown separation are all degrees of bushing failure. Therefore depending on the degree of failure you may get minimal symptoms or knocking to outright diabolical handling! If you consider that most zeds are over 10yrs old there are a lot out there that would benefit with bushing changes. There is nothing wrong with the OEM bushes except they are to soft and allow excessive mov't which dulls handing and eventually they will fail again bring made of rubber. Secondly the compression arm design was poor which leads to premature compresion bush failure. This issues was addressed by Nissan on the HR and 370z I think. Urethane is better but as the vid shows you need to get well designed ones. I have used Superpro, whiteline and energy suspension. Superpro are up there, whiteline a close second and energy suspension third because some of their bushes are poorly designed. However if you swap those bushes for superpro or whiteline equivalent as I have done for the 2 chaps here you end up with a competent package and some significant savings. Monoball/spherical/rose jointed bushes are the ultimate because there is no bind or stiction and there supension geometry is always maintained optimally as there is no unwanted mov't. However they don't last forever as they are prone to salt corrosion and they are impractical for daily driving. I have been lucky to have been able to swap to full urethane bushes in the past and again to solid monoball bushes which are currently on the car. I have also done the full urethane swap for 2 members here. So I can attest to the fact that every single bush showed significant wear. One thing is for certain the handling is night and day and if you have other suspension mods like ARB, coilovers and adjustable arms it further enhances them. I will be offering a drive in bushing replacement and general suspension service soon and there will be various packages to suit all budgets and usage but in anycase priced very competitively. What is the rough cost of replacing all the bushes? I already have Powerflex banana arm bushes fitted. Just curious as to what sort of money you were looking at charging for a full replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philw99 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Nice vid RobboðŸ‘. @ Stu; the front bushes are the ones that commonly fail but all OEM rubber bushes fail to various degrees over time. Shrinking, perishing/cracking, tearing and full blown separation are all degrees of bushing failure. Therefore depending on the degree of failure you may get minimal symptoms or knocking to outright diabolical handling! If you consider that most zeds are over 10yrs old there are a lot out there that would benefit with bushing changes. There is nothing wrong with the OEM bushes except they are to soft and allow excessive mov't which dulls handing and eventually they will fail again bring made of rubber. Secondly the compression arm design was poor which leads to premature compresion bush failure. This issues was addressed by Nissan on the HR and 370z I think. Urethane is better but as the vid shows you need to get well designed ones. I have used Superpro, whiteline and energy suspension. Superpro are up there, whiteline a close second and energy suspension third because some of their bushes are poorly designed. However if you swap those bushes for superpro or whiteline equivalent as I have done for the 2 chaps here you end up with a competent package and some significant savings. Monoball/spherical/rose jointed bushes are the ultimate because there is no bind or stiction and there supension geometry is always maintained optimally as there is no unwanted mov't. However they don't last forever as they are prone to salt corrosion and they are impractical for daily driving. I have been lucky to have been able to swap to full urethane bushes in the past and again to solid monoball bushes which are currently on the car. I have also done the full urethane swap for 2 members here. So I can attest to the fact that every single bush showed significant wear. One thing is for certain the handling is night and day and if you have other suspension mods like ARB, coilovers and adjustable arms it further enhances them. I will be offering a drive in bushing replacement and general suspension service soon and there will be various packages to suit all budgets and usage but in anycase priced very competitively. What is the rough cost of replacing all the bushes? I already have Powerflex banana arm bushes fitted. Just curious as to what sort of money you were looking at charging for a full replacement. I'd be interested in knowing how much for a full kit, can any traders help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie101 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Admittedly not a full replacement, but I got this set from Tarmac a few weeks ago and had it fitted by Fast Eddy locally in Norwich: http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/85095-whitelines-awesome-nissan-350z-bushing-essentials-kit-220/ Consensus seemed to be about 6-9 hours work to fit everything minus the rear diff bushings (depending on the corrosion etc). I had the rear shock bushings done too, which added a few hours to the job but definitely needed doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 I've just had my bushings done by Sly at Kaizer. I'll have a separate post to come giving my thoughts etc but not doing that on the phone, annoying. Essentially my set is Prothane and one from SuperPro. Very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sregorn Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Just had the superpro front bush kit fitted on my HR ,purchased from Clark Motorsport and have to say really pleased ,much better feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarmoZ Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 At H-dev as we speak, added front bushes to the job as he said they are very worn. Will report back the difference in feel, he's putting on super pro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarmoZ Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) So a simple brake line and fluid change at H-Dev turned into rear discs and pads, plus front super pro bushes as well! I was gonna say no, but I'm so glad I said yes, I didn't know what I was missing, the steering feels like that of a brand new modern car, corners better too, if I could describe it in a single word, the whole car just feels more Solid. Jez's mechanic was showing me The super pro for the 350z has its hole offset within the bush, this fixed the geometry and does something to the camber (I think, can't remember what he said) and makes it better than when they left the factory. I find I don't have to turn the wheel as much as before to achieve the same amount of turn. It's also more responsive to the steering wheel. My car is a 2004 around 78k miles, and they were completely worn on the front he said, so I imagine all of the older zeds will benefit. Edited February 13, 2016 by DarmoZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted February 13, 2016 Author Share Posted February 13, 2016 Excellent stuff, I'd actually like to drive one that doesn't have any of the work done just see how much my one has progressed. I've still got lots to do this year, engine mounts, rear bushings etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 So a simple brake line and fluid change at H-Dev turned into rear discs and pads, plus front super pro bushes as well! I was gonna say no, but I'm so glad I said yes, I didn't know what I was missing, the steering feels like that of a brand new modern car, corners better too, if I could describe it in a single word, the whole car just feels more Solid. Jez's mechanic was showing me The super pro for the 350z has its hole offset within the bush, this fixed the geometry and does something to the camber (I think, can't remember what he said) and makes it better than when they left the factory. I find I don't have to turn the wheel as much as before to achieve the same amount of turn. It's also more responsive to the steering wheel. My car is a 2004 around 78k miles, and they were completely worn on the front he said, so I imagine all of the older zeds will benefit. Glad to hear you are happy with it Darmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayd350 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Interesting to watch. I've got SuperPro bushes on my Zed so good to know they where worth the money. Did you go full kit all over? Did you change them becuase the others were worn, or just because you hoped they'd feel better? Nice vid Robboí ½í±. @ Stu; the front bushes are the ones that commonly fail but all OEM rubber bushes fail to various degrees over time. Shrinking, perishing/cracking, tearing and full blown separation are all degrees of bushing failure. Therefore depending on the degree of failure you may get minimal symptoms or knocking to outright diabolical handling! If you consider that most zeds are over 10yrs old there are a lot out there that would benefit with bushing changes. There is nothing wrong with the OEM bushes except they are to soft and allow excessive mov't which dulls handing and eventually they will fail again bring made of rubber. Secondly the compression arm design was poor which leads to premature compresion bush failure. This issues was addressed by Nissan on the HR and 370z I think. Urethane is better but as the vid shows you need to get well designed ones. I have used Superpro, whiteline and energy suspension. Superpro are up there, whiteline a close second and energy suspension third because some of their bushes are poorly designed. However if you swap those bushes for superpro or whiteline equivalent as I have done for the 2 chaps here you end up with a competent package and some significant savings. Monoball/spherical/rose jointed bushes are the ultimate because there is no bind or stiction and there supension geometry is always maintained optimally as there is no unwanted mov't. However they don't last forever as they are prone to salt corrosion and they are impractical for daily driving. I have been lucky to have been able to swap to full urethane bushes in the past and again to solid monoball bushes which are currently on the car. I have also done the full urethane swap for 2 members here. So I can attest to the fact that every single bush showed significant wear. One thing is for certain the handling is night and day and if you have other suspension mods like ARB, coilovers and adjustable arms it further enhances them. I will be offering a drive in bushing replacement and general suspension service soon and there will be various packages to suit all budgets and usage but in anycase priced very competitively. Morning mate, seems yo have a lot of knowledge regarding the front suspension set up and bush failure. I've got a bit of an issue on my HR now approaching 91k. I've switch both banana arms over the last two years and to be honest cost me a chunk diagnosing those issues. Is there an order in which bushes tend to perish? I've got a creak when i sit in and mild knocking over bumps straight after lowering (Tein springs 17mm) If you could can shed any light on my issue that'd be much appreciated. I did read that the control arms are prone and seen as though i have a creak as soon as i get in i figured it could be the damper mount bush or something? I'm just chucking ideas at it though and it's based on minimal knowledge to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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