timb2010 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 Hi all, I've got some braided hoses sat waiting for me. I've had a good search and there doesn't seem to be a guide or a whole lot of info on changing them. If there isn't a how-to I will take some photos on the way and do one. Could I please ask: Will I need 2 bottles of fluid? Has anyone got any photos of them fitted? Can I do the bleeding with the front lifted and then the rear? Or does it need to be flat? Does it matter if I mix original fluid with motul ? Just topping it up? If I'm using motul Rbf, how will I know when my old fluid it gone and I'm using new? Do I drain it all first? Can fluid collected in the bleeding go back in the reservoir? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If I'm using motul Rbf, how will I know when my old fluid it gone and I'm using new? Do I drain it all first? If you're lucky they will be different colours, failing that, buy too much and just make sure you bleed lots through on each corner, obviously remembering the fronts take less bleeding than the rears. Can fluid collected in the bleeding go back in the reservoir? No! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 After reading your questionnaire I would advise you to get a professional to carry out this work for you. Alex. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbeast35 Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 After reading your questionnaire I would advise you to get a professional to carry out this work for you. Alex. +1 was about to say the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 Thanks for the replies, I totally understand you may not want to advise if you think i might end up killing myself or worse others. I read into it, that it was all a relatively simple process. You just need to know how? Do's and songs etc. I plan on taking on all work myself on my zed, right up to the clutch change. Ive got the garage, tools and im hoping the ability, Maybe 15-20 years ago I've changed engines on my mini, beetles, 3 x on my 205 and helped with my calibra. It Was a good time ago though! But then brakes are quite important on a high performance car hey!! I guess a dealer will tell me if I need two bottles or whether one will do. I've also found pictures of the fitted lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share Posted September 19, 2013 Omg ! Just found the pinned thread "BLEEDING BRAKES" right at the top answering all my questions. his did I miss that,! Please ignore or admin delete! Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J4CKO Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Guns Easi Bleed is a life saver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jp606 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 The Eezibleed is very good, however it doesn't fit the Z master cylinder. You will need to source a spare master cylinder cap and make a 10mm hole in it to fit the Eezibleed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 I've not used my ezibleed for over twenty years! I do remember it came with about 5-10 different caps. I was reading a lot of people saying don't both with it and just get a mate on the pedal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 Jp606 - did you change your HEL hoses? Mine seem to only have one p clip per front hose? I've ordered some more. How did you get on? Anything to watch out for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs2000 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Jp606 - did you change your HEL hoses? Mine seem to only have one p clip per front hose? I've ordered some more. How did you get on? Anything to watch out for? Yep, you only get one and you need 1 more. Sly @ Kaizer fitted mine as the retaining brackets and banjo bolts were rusted as hell, from what I hear even he had a job getting them off without damaging the hardline on the car. The rears are really too short, I mean, they fit, but just be carefull with your routing. Sadly no photos and I don't really know if they make any difference, but hey ho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Jp606 - did you change your HEL hoses? Mine seem to only have one p clip per front hose? I've ordered some more. How did you get on? Anything to watch out for? where are you based Tim B..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 Im from Kidderminster area Will. Work near I4N mate. My 2x extra p-clamps arrived today. Might do the rear springs and hoses tonight if this bloody headache goes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Good luck mate, I tend to leave brakes to somebody like Ross at Japex. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jp606 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Nope not fitted them yet. Didn't realise HEL didn't supply enough P-clamps though, glad I saw this thread. Where did you get the extras? Can't seem to find them on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 (edited) I bought 2 x 6.4mm p-clips from eBay. Item id - 160658309608 I've read if your going to be track racing your car maybe buy motorsport grade clips in case the clips melt with the heat from the brakes.? Edit!!! Don't buy these they are crap!! Need larger steel clips Edited September 29, 2013 by timb2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 In the for sale thread when I bought the hel lines someone said the Brembos need to come off. Is that right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Rears are done.. was pretty easy. Hope the front are the same I wd40ed up all the threads and made sure they could each be loosened/tightened before comiting... This wasn't a comforting sight to begin with!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Yuk! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timb2010 Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Front HEL lines changed today. Also changed the springs for eibachs while i was in there. it was going really well until........ when I was bleeding the last nipple on the last corner i forgot to check the fluid level in the reservoir!!!! As the front end was jacked up it made it worse. I bled the inner and outer again and eventually got the pressure back.. I popped the wheel back on and gave it a quick test down the drive. The pedal got worse and worse and now hits the floor... Disaster It was too dark to bleed anything again. I was wondering does this mean that I have to do a full bleed of every nipple or do you think it will be just that last corner that needs re bleeding...? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Fell at the last hurdle! Hope you get it sorted. I'm undertaking this task and clutch within the next couple of weeks fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jp606 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Doh! I'd imagine the whole lot will need doing as there will be air in the whole system. Never, never let the master cylinder run dry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Did mine at the weekend. Don't know what all the fuss is about. Bleed fine first time for me, did the clutch as well. It must be a patience thing haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I bought 2 x 6.4mm p-clips from eBay. Item id - 160658309608 I've read if your going to be track racing your car maybe buy motorsport grade clips in case the clips melt with the heat from the brakes.? Edit!!! Don't buy these they are crap!! Need larger steel clips I have learnt the hard way with thes crap p-clips a couple of years back buy the decent ones or replace the rubbers with braided fuel line. Trust me it is in no way fun or exciting hurtling towards a 80mph corner @ 125mph with a floppy pedal & poo in your pants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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