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Wasn't quite sure what to write as the title but here goes.

 

I have not long bought an 03 plate JDM 350z and am really really loving the car. I know that you can turn the traction control off but I am yet to find my limits within the car and this is probably not the weather to be pushing it. As a result traction control is staying on for now.

 

My frustration is that at times, even when just driving normally and giving the car a tiny bit of throttle, the traction control light will flicker, starts blipping the throttle and if you keep your foot on the gas, it just carries on doing it (for minutes if you keep your foot on the accelerator).

 

 

You have to take your foot off the pedal for a couple of seconds, wait for the light to flick off and only then can you get back to driving normally.

 

I am not sure if its a general thing or fault with my car in particular? I have aftermarket 18" Wolfrace Shark alloys and Falken ZIEX tyres (which could be the reason for the random loss of grip). I am looking to replace them when they get a bit more worn as the guy had just bought them when I received the car).

 

But the fact the traction control wont disengage until you take the foot completely off the accelerator, is that normal?

 

I am so used to driving cars (like my old MK5 GTI Golf) where it is less intrusive, that perhaps this is normal for this car?

 

Appreciate any help guys and thanks in advance.

 

Regards, Nathan...

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Doesnt sound normal to me - well, I havent had that problem anyway. Slippy tyres could be a result...if they are really new and not bed in yet, they will be pretty slippy, hence TC intervension.

 

Someone with JDM knowledge may be able to help more.

 

Having driven a MK5 GTI, I would not say the Zed TC is particularly more intrusive.

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I've had my 2003 import for over a year and a half and the traction control has only kicked in about 4 times in total. Only then when I have been driving on ice and have slipped as I set off. Doesn't sound quite right to me.

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Bugger...

 

Thanks for the replies though guys...

 

I wouldn't say that its intrusive at all times. Only maybe once a day (not multiple times). Which by the sounds of the replies doesn't sound as normal as I thought :-( lol

 

However there are often occasions when I boot the car and really give it some, I get nothing. Then just pottering down a country lane about 25/30mph or something, I go to give it a bit of gas, traction control kicks in... makes acceleration all juddery and light stays on until you lift of for a couple of seconds...

 

I guess there is no way of knowing for sure how or what your tyres are on at the precise moment the traction control kicks in. But I have monitored it for a month or so now and the times it does kick in just seem bizzare in that it almost suprises you it has because you arn't driving it hard... (if that makes sense)? ;-) lol

 

Obviously if this is not normal, what are my options in terms of getting it rectified? Thanks again guys... :thumbs::thumbs:

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Bugger...

 

Thanks for the replies though guys...

 

I wouldn't say that its intrusive at all times. Only maybe once a day (not multiple times). Which by the sounds of the replies doesn't sound as normal as I thought :-( lol

 

However there are often occasions when I boot the car and really give it some, I get nothing. Then just pottering down a country lane about 25/30mph or something, I go to give it a bit of gas, traction control kicks in... makes acceleration all juddery and light stays on until you lift of for a couple of seconds...

 

I guess there is no way of knowing for sure how or what your tyres are on at the precise moment the traction control kicks in. But I have monitored it for a month or so now and the times it does kick in just seem bizzare in that it almost suprises you it has because you arn't driving it hard... (if that makes sense)? ;-) lol

 

Obviously if this is not normal, what are my options in terms of getting it rectified? Thanks again guys... :thumbs::thumbs:

 

Sounds like grip m8, i had that issue with the stock bridgestone tyres, changing them to a wider tyre/alloy combination helped immensely.

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well i'd wait for further advice because I am probably quite a 'gentle' driver compared to you and some of the others on here. You sure it wasn't a slippy/icy road surface or anything? The back of my car has been like a bendy bus some mornings out on the country roads where I live!

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This is a non technical answer. :blush:

 

The tracton control can only interprit data and this can be greatly influenced by issues outside its control.

 

As an example, if you had worn tyres or tryes with uneven weat the TC will try to compensate without realising this. That woiuld give the TC a spurious input.

 

Driving on wet or icy roads may cause the handling to be a little unpredictable as the TC tries to outthink you.

 

I always remember what Ebized said to me :notworthy: on the Jocklnad hoon, when driving on very basic, uneven and tight curved roads, he didnt use it because he had a better feel for the car/ conditions than the TC.

 

Until you have had a chance to experience the world of noin TC zed driving at a suitable location in more seasonal conditions I would stick with it for now.

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Sounds perfectly normal to me. The TC will let you spin both wheels in the wet in a straight line, but if it detects one wheel spinning faster than the other then it'll kick in and kill the fun/stop you ending up in a ditch. It's stability control rather than traction control, so it's trying to keep the car stable as opposed to stopping the wheels spinning. If you don't lift off enough to give the car a chance to settle the weight is still over the front wheels giving you less grip at the back, so you need to come off it altogether and let the natural stability give you the balance back.

 

 

Mine annoys the hell out of me when pulling out of junctions in the damp so I leave it firmly off unless it's dreadful weather., and even then there's not that much difference as I experienced at Anglesey a couple of months ago in monsoon conditions: I wasn't any slower on track with the electronics turned off.

 

 

 

That said, I'd agree with everyone else here about checking the profile and width of your tyres compared with stock, and it won't hurt to reset the stability control either (there's a guide on here somewhere, check the FAQs).

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Guys, thanks as always for the suggestions and help. Appreciate it...

 

I guess a good starting place (i.e the cheapest would be to try and reset the traction control / stability control) to see if that makes a difference first.

 

If not then I guess the alloys / tyres could be next in line for a check.

 

I will get searching now RE how to do the reset... :thumbs:

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Errr... that sucks... (I presume) :) lol

 

On the front it reads: 235/40ZR18 95W

 

Sorry to sound so dense RE tyres but I have always run stock and whenever they have needed changing, I take my car to a very good local garage and they sort it out for me. Never had the need to look in to width's, size's etc...

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Stock sizes for 18s are 225/45F and 245/45R, so at least you've got a stagger there still even if it is 10mm different. The profile on the rear isn't too bad, but you've got a 5.2% difference so that could be throwing the TC into a bit of a fit. I presume they're the same brand as well, as you really shouldn't be mixing tyres on a sports car. If they're different then that could also account for any issues you've got.

 

Running tyres bigger than stock isn't an issue as long as you've got wheels that fit, as many on here do that same thing. I'd try a calibration and see where that gets you.

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Profile is just the height of the tyre expressed as a percentage of the width, so a wider tyre should have a lower profile to keep the height the same. A 265/18 tyre should be ideally a 40 profile to keep as close to stock, as there's only a 1.3% difference then.

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Really appreciate your advice buddy...

 

They are all the same brand tire's and as I say, were all changed at the same time and virtually new when I bought the car.

 

I am looking at doing something a bit later down the line with the tire's and possibly the alloys. But as I have plenty of tred left, now is probably not the right time. Especially as I want to sort a few other cosmetic things on the car first.

 

I will (as you suggest) get a calibration done though. I presume my local tyre dealer will be able to help with this, or are you referring to something a bit more specialist?

 

Thanks again... Nathan :thumbs:

 

EDIT: just seen the other posts and now I am lost ;) lol...

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Really appreciate your advice buddy...

 

They are all the same brand tire's and as I say, were all changed at the same time and virtually new when I bought the car.

 

I am looking at doing something a bit later down the line with the tire's and possibly the alloys. But as I have plenty of tred left, now is probably not the right time. Especially as I want to sort a few other cosmetic things on the car first.

 

I will (as you suggest) get a calibration done though. I presume my local tyre dealer will be able to help with this, or are you referring to something a bit more specialist?

 

Thanks again... Nathan :thumbs:

 

EDIT: just seen the other posts and now I am lost ;) lol...

 

 

Your problem is the tyres fitted, just replace with the correct size and profile and you will be OK, or alternatively do what I do just switch the Traction control off..it is very intrusive even during normal driving conditions...so long as you don't try anything silly you will be fine :)

 

Calibration of the traction control by any methods dont seem to work, a lot of the US forums posted up various remedies but they were all nothing more than snake oil :teeth:

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Yeah, that appears to be the case doesn't it.

 

Its not massively frustrating but is filling me with less confidence for when I do drive it harder.

 

What would the best tyre and alloy size combination be out of interest?

 

Sorry to ask, but I could well just bite the bullet and bring my plans forward to upgrade.

 

Many thanks :thumbs:

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