Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Hi Guys, First of all I would like to apologise for asking the age old question of coilovers; what to buy as there is too much choice. I do actually have a set on the car but feel that these are most definitely cheap (they came with the car). I have the following installed already; - Eibach front and rear ARB's with bushes. - Adjustable camber arms front and rear. - Whiteline adjustable droplinks front and rear. So the next move is to find confidence in the coilover. The Zed is never tracked and I doubt it will be, although at times it is driven hard (within reason). So I would categorise the use as 'fast road'. My budget has always been circa £800 which I believe puts me bang in the middle of the upper/lower threshold when it comes to products. I would rather save for a little longer in order to buy the right kit and have shortlisted the following in accordance to price/desire. Could somebody with experience point me in the right direction; I have no idea what technical information I should comparing or what to expect from each. - KW V3 - Tein Mono Sport - Eibach Pro Street S - BC Racing BR - Torquen S Thanks in anticipation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I have kW v3 there perfect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) All the above have good reputations from what I have read, what about adding MeisterR to your list they are traders on here. I had BC Racing coilovers on my Skyline and performed admirably well. Edited January 31, 2016 by coldel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 I have kW v3 there perfect Yes in an ideal world I would go for the KW's but they are almost twice my budget. I am happy to save but would I use them to their full capabilities. The demon-tweeks finance option is very appealing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 All the above have good reputations from what I have read, what about adding MeisterR to your list they are traders on here. I had BC Racing coilovers on my Skyline and performed admirably well. Zeta-S? I did come across a potential group buy, although the boat may have sailed on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I think a member got a set for 1200 recently from demon tweeks Something to do with the strong pound to euro Good luck whatever you go for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake ben taylor Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Imho only the monosporta will give a good fast road setup put of those listed. Bc and torquen are very much 'budget'coilovers, ie @*!#. Kw v3 are a track orientated coilover. Theyre very good, dont geg me wrong but theyre designed for track. The monosports have a dual flow valve which only tein and ohlins offer, tbis allows a firm dampening rate but if you hit a big bump the dual flow valve ipens amd softens the suspension thus absorbing the bump better. Ive got monosports and was really impressed with them and ive had experience of a range of coilover brands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I am going to stick my next out here and say the Torqens will be a rebranded something (bc or similar etc), so unless they are any cheaper, they are pretty much the same option. Is it the height adjustment that you want or something that will perform well on track/fast road etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Imho only the monosporta will give a good fast road setup put of those listed. Bc and torquen are very much 'budget'coilovers, ie @*!#. Kw v3 are a track orientated coilover. Theyre very good, dont geg me wrong but theyre designed for track. The monosports have a dual flow valve which only tein and ohlins offer, tbis allows a firm dampening rate but if you hit a big bump the dual flow valve ipens amd softens the suspension thus absorbing the bump better. Ive got monosports and was really impressed with them and ive had experience of a range of coilover brands That's a great bit of info Ben. How do the monosports hold up? Did you treat them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 I am going to stick my next out here and say the Torqens will be a rebranded something (bc or similar etc), so unless they are any cheaper, they are pretty much the same option. Is it the height adjustment that you want or something that will perform well on track/fast road etc Precisely my thoughts; I have also read that eibachs pro streets are rebranded KW's? Well I currently run quite an aggressive drop, but would happily lift it in order to achieve drivability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Cusco. I've had them on both Zeds and they are brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake ben taylor Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I havent treated them and theyre showing no signs of corrosion or siezing. I bought them second hand off here too, theyre really improved theyre coatings over their old reputation Going really low knavkers the roll centres and will make the car roll more despite harder suspension just as a btw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I have had Teins (varying models) on most of my jdm cars, i have never been disappointed, last set i had were the mono flex and thought they were superb. road and track. However, i did have a set on a mx5, basic streets and on the lowest setting were only like 25mm different on height, ride was quality though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Cusco. I've had them on both Zeds and they are brilliant Cheers Ian, I presume that Cusco would be towards the higher end of the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 From memory I paid about £1000 delivered for them from Japan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 From memory I paid about £1000 delivered for them from Japan That's not so bad. I was expecting much more given the typically high standard you tend to set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtimo Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 KW V3's nuff said...... Quality that lasts and worth the asking price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 While I agree that cheap coilovers can ruin the handling characteristics of a car it would seem to me that is unclear what you want from your coilovers apart from the fact that you don't track it or unlikely to do so. You seem to have a lot of suspension mods and if set up right with even budget coilovers it should be ok for fast road use and DD. I've seen it many times that mods are just thrown in but not set up right and results in worse handling. Like Fake Ben pointed out as an example if you lower a car to the point that you adversely change the roll center wrt the center of gravity you will get worse body roll that OEM. Same applies for damping setting, Spring rates and geometry. Not to forget tyres or the negative effect of worn parts like bushes or bent arms etc. Of the list you put up KW and Tein monoflex sold as Monosport now gets my vote but the rest will be ok for what you are after provided the car is setup right. Get someone to go over the setup before you start anything or post op more details if you want help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 While I agree that cheap coilovers can ruin the handling characteristics of a car it would seem to me that is unclear what you want from your coilovers apart from the fact that you don't track it or unlikely to do so. You seem to have a lot of suspension mods and if set up right with even budget coilovers it should be ok for fast road use and DD. I've seen it many times that mods are just thrown in but not set up right and results in worse handling. Like Fake Ben pointed out as an example if you lower a car to the point that you adversely change the roll center wrt the center of gravity you will get worse body roll that OEM. Same applies for damping setting, Spring rates and geometry. Not to forget tyres or the negative effect of worn parts like bushes or bent arms etc. Of the list you put up KW and Tein monoflex sold as Monosport now gets my vote but the rest will be ok for what you are after provided the car is setup right. Get someone to go over the setup before you start anything or post op more details if you want help. Thanks for your input GT4; thought you'd be able to advise. The coilovers I have are showing signs of rust and are very harsh. I am after a set up that allows me to drop the car (not loads) whilst providing confidence in the corners without throwing me everywhere. So would you advise taking the car to a specialist before purchasing in order to establish a way forward? I would definitely pay for a professional set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybp Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 i'm using the BC coil overs at the minute and yes they are at the cheap end of the market but they are good for the money i had a few fitting issues nothing major but not @*!# as they were described but make your own decision 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Imho only the monosporta will give a good fast road setup put of those listed. Bc and torquen are very much 'budget'coilovers, ie @*!#. Kw v3 are a track orientated coilover. Theyre very good, dont geg me wrong but theyre designed for track. The monosports have a dual flow valve which only tein and ohlins offer, tbis allows a firm dampening rate but if you hit a big bump the dual flow valve ipens amd softens the suspension thus absorbing the bump better. Ive got monosports and was really impressed with them and ive had experience of a range of coilover brands Ben, what's a "torquen"? If you're referring to the TORQEN S or R coilovers, could you elaborate the testing methods used and the length of time for such testing to take place, that made you label our products as "@*!#"? Looking forward to a good long read of an in depth analysis/report. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fake ben taylor Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Bloody autocorrect adding the u again. Theyre a budget coilover, not even comparable to kw v3 or the Tein monosports...... Yeah i was blunt but I have a dislike of budget coilovers My idea of good suspension is worlds different to others, hence bc being labelled a good suspension by some..... Genuinely I just think thats because they dont know any better. If you want to send some my way onve the car is back together I'll happily back to back test them with the monosports and give an honest review if you think they would be comparable. Or if youve got a shock dyno plot for them to show that might prove theyre comparable. Budget suspension has its place in the market but lets not start making it out to be something it isnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Many on here run the BC coilover with pleasing results from a budget application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share Posted February 2, 2016 Some have recommended HSD Monopro, which seem to be up against BC/MeisterR/Torquen. I know quite a few run the HSD's on here; what are your thoughts guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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