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What do you think we are, Scottish?!

Causing issues at work for one of our guys Apparently he voted out this morning, but his missus voted in and then made the mistake of telling him. He's literally raging at her for this, and they're not even talking now :lol:

Well that's a random milestone to tick off

That's nothing to be proud of I love those seats, but I couldn't get past the side airbag lump. Still, if they were a bargain then probably better that than buying the Sportster CS seats and fitting those, that would be a fair bit more hassle.

Hart should be captain, the way he belts out encouragement in the tunnel is brilliant to watch.

Why can't England ever play with that kind of passion when it really matters? Even if the Oirish had gone out tonight, you'd still have praised them for giving everything.

I'm going to draw a picture of Trump on my vote, and tick that. That'll mess with their heads.

Perfectly plausible. Even the easiest jobs can be a massive PITA if things start going downhill. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. 8 hours would bd a p*sstake, but 4 is on the edge of believable.

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Here's a what-if scenario for you all... Let's say we vote Leave. Cameron steps down next year, which leaves Boris as a shoo-in for the party leadership. Nothing will happen on leaving the EU on our side until then, so that gives Boris three years as PM. Now, he'll most certainly want to carry on being PM and win the GE in 2020, so how best to achieve that? Certainly not by alienating voters on the Left any more than he has to, given they'll already have plenty of ammo aimed at him. His own party will back him and he's adored by UKIP voters too, so no fear of annoying them regardless. So how does he win the centre-Left? Well, one way could be to make some nice concessions to the EU in terms of the withdrawal agreement and/or trade negotiations. Just enough to keep the Left not completely hating him, but not enough so he looks weak. Now I like Boris, and I'd love him as PM, but he's also incredibly shrewd and clever. He'll do whatever it takes to keep hold of power, and he won't rock the markets any more than he has to to achieve his goals. I'm not saying this is a guarantee, but at the same time I don't for one second expect him to keep a hardline over this. Political suicide.

But yes, a very true point JP.

Black, obviously.

Laid back? Perhaps. I'm certainly tired of the same circular arguments. If we leave, we'll do the easiest thing to get things rolling and back on track to help preserve whatever state our financial markets are in. What's the best way of doing that? By copying exactly what we had before, with a few token tweaks. That's why I started out on the Leave side about 3 years ago, moved to Remain in the last 12 months, and now I don't think it'll matter either way as there's no political will to *really* change anything. The EU are quite happy as things stand, our government system is broken because Corbyn is the worst Labour leader in my lifetime, and no-one really wants to drag things out any longer than they have to. That's not apathy, that's the real world. People are proclaiming these great changes, on both sides of the argument, when in reality great changes are not only politically impossible but also do not really benefit anyone. The people of this country cannot get their head around the fact that we need to massively cut spending to reduce our debt. You really think they're capable of deciphering, much less arguing the pros and cons, of the TTIP? I don't. The public as a rule are stupid, hence them believing half the spin on both sides of the EU argument.

I'm really not apathetic, I have incredibly passionate views when it comes to UK politics. However, in this case I can't see HOW anything would change! We need immigration levels where they are, if not higher. We'd need to follow EU rules to trade anyway. We'll still end up with the TTIP. We'll end up in the exact same place, just with no seat at the table and billions of pounds in lawyer fees down. Remind me again why we should leave?

We will have TTIP whether we stay or go. No reasonable person can possibly expect otherwise. The more I think about this whole thing, the more convinced I am that absolutely nothing will change regardless of the outcome. However, if we do vote to leave I'm going to start practicing my "I told you so!" speech.

Not just you.

ROI to get smashed

Also, the new stamp duty on BTLs will do far more for the housing market than a few thousand immigrants ever will.

No, but they do point forwards so they catch cars driving past them. Remove the front plate, and you instantly remove that ability.

Disagree. UK politics relies massively on a strong opposition, and a weak one does no-one any favours at all. Look at what New Labour got away with, and look at how stringent the Tories are being on cuts right now. Without that opposition, bad things happen. Both Corbyn and Trump appeal to those who have no real understanding of how the world works, they just want something different. That different isn't actually a good thing though...

Corbyn is the most useless opposition leader since Iain Duncan Smith. He was a protest vote from the extreme Left Labour fan club, who felt that the only way to win an election was by being the polar opposite of the winners. Great in theory, less great when you realise that the very reason they lost is because no-one* wants that kind of socialist nonsense any more. *well, clearly some people do, but they're a bit loonie anyway.

It's not that important, not really. Nothing will change whichever way the vote goes, nothing of consequence anyway.

No chance. If my car gets nicked, I want as many ways of it being pinged up on ANPR as possible. This is why no-one takes these online petition things seriously. Do we really want our politicians wasting their time over trivial stuff like this?? I certainly don't.

It's been acceptable to me, right up to today and hopefully beyond.

Two years ago??!! Good god man, with the state of the roads in Cambs you should be having it done about every six months max.