Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Hi all just wandering what a 350z with 400-450 bhp would be comparable to on the road , as in other performance cars ? Does anyone know what sort of 0-100mph the car would be able to achieve? And also at this level of power what else is required ? An uprated clutch when it lets go ? A proper diff? Brakes? This is for a car that won't see a track just some odd blasts on the road And what sort of mpg are people getting? Obviously not a lot ..... Just wandering:) Thanks for your help Edited December 11, 2014 by GIXXERUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIXXERUK Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 turbo or supercharged ? they will behave very differently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Supercharger ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Very subjective as unless you were in a standardised competition/testing any comparison is useless and the are so many other variables to consider. Eg driver, weight, gearing, type of drive, tyres, road conditions etc Even on track days it tells you nothing. I've spanked a 996 Turbo on bedford or loads of fezzas on the Ring but a 458 italia handed it to me. Simply put any 400-450whp car is fast but to compare you have to consider all the other factors. In my case the biggest benefit was from suspension tuning. The power was a logical step and 450whp quickly became inadequate. There will be always a bigger dog around and though I'm setting up for lots more power, I,m not concerned by meaningless numbers but the challenge to tame the beast. If I were you, in case you want to build an FI zed would be to look at all it entails before and after and also if it's the right start up for your planned or use application. It's not just about numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hensh65 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Well I know Chubby ninja has managed 12.9 up the strip at crail, not sure what his trap speed is think it was about 115mph but he can confirm that. So I would reckon 0 - 100mph in 10/11 seconds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Very subjective as unless you were in a standardised competition/testing any comparison is useless and the are so many other variables to consider. Eg driver, weight, gearing, type of drive, tyres, road conditions etc Even on track days it tells you nothing. I've spanked a 996 Turbo on bedford or loads of fezzas on the Ring but a 458 italia handed it to me. Simply put any 400-450whp car is fast but to compare you have to consider all the other factors. In my case the biggest benefit was from suspension tuning. The power was a logical step and 450whp quickly became inadequate. There will be always a bigger dog around and though I'm setting up for lots more power, I,m not concerned by meaningless numbers but the challenge to tame the beast. If I were you, in case you want to build an FI zed would be to look at all it entails before and after and also if it's the right start up for your planned or use application. It's not just about numbers. Ya understand what you are saying .... This is mostly from attack stand point I guess? I'm on about ...... Your out for a drive come across a Aston v8/ e90 m3/ r8 v8 ...... Can I give them a run for their money up a dual carriage way ? What sort of performance cars could you liken the 0-100 , speed . Acceleration to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIXXERUK Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Graham has recently supercharged, might worth a read of his build thread.. GMballistic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Very subjective as unless you were in a standardised competition/testing any comparison is useless and the are so many other variables to consider. Eg driver, weight, gearing, type of drive, tyres, road conditions etc Even on track days it tells you nothing. I've spanked a 996 Turbo on bedford or loads of fezzas on the Ring but a 458 italia handed it to me. Simply put any 400-450whp car is fast but to compare you have to consider all the other factors. In my case the biggest benefit was from suspension tuning. The power was a logical step and 450whp quickly became inadequate. There will be always a bigger dog around and though I'm setting up for lots more power, I,m not concerned by meaningless numbers but the challenge to tame the beast. If I were you, in case you want to build an FI zed would be to look at all it entails before and after and also if it's the right start up for your planned or use application. It's not just about numbers. Ya understand what you are saying .... This is mostly from attack stand point I guess? I'm on about ...... Your out for a drive come across a Aston v8/ e90 m3/ r8 v8 ...... Can I give them a run for their money up a dual carriage way ? What sort of performance cars could you liken the 0-100 , speed . Acceleration to? You shouldn't be doing that on the road mate. Take it to a track or santapod. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIXXERUK Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Very subjective as unless you were in a standardised competition/testing any comparison is useless and the are so many other variables to consider. Eg driver, weight, gearing, type of drive, tyres, road conditions etc Even on track days it tells you nothing. I've spanked a 996 Turbo on bedford or loads of fezzas on the Ring but a 458 italia handed it to me. Simply put any 400-450whp car is fast but to compare you have to consider all the other factors. In my case the biggest benefit was from suspension tuning. The power was a logical step and 450whp quickly became inadequate. There will be always a bigger dog around and though I'm setting up for lots more power, I,m not concerned by meaningless numbers but the challenge to tame the beast. If I were you, in case you want to build an FI zed would be to look at all it entails before and after and also if it's the right start up for your planned or use application. It's not just about numbers. Ya understand what you are saying .... This is mostly from attack stand point I guess? I'm on about ...... Your out for a drive come across a Aston v8/ e90 m3/ r8 v8 ...... Can I give them a run for their money up a dual carriage way ? What sort of performance cars could you liken the 0-100 , speed . Acceleration to? You shouldn't be doing that on the road mate. Take it to a track or santapod. Exactly ! We don't condone road racing, fair enough to ask for a comparison but ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) so I cant blast up to 75 on the slip road on to the motorway chasing a Aston or such like ? I'm fully aware of the law and as such never had any points ...... Where did I say I was speeding ? Anyway ...... Edited December 11, 2014 by Bodyboarder81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve916 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 so I cant blast up to 75 on the slip road on to the motorway chasing a Aston or such like ? I'm fully aware of the law and as such never had any points ...... Where did I say I was speeding ? Anyway ...... Just there.......75 on a slip road 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GIXXERUK Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 so I cant blast up to 75 on the slip road on to the motorway chasing a Aston or such like ? I'm fully aware of the law and as such never had any points ...... Where did I say I was speeding ? Anyway ...... lets stay on topic, drivability, performance, comparison of a supercharged zed......... suggest you pm GMballistic for a personal opinion If we can't I'll just lock it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Speedo are always out so that would be 70 in the real world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 so I cant blast up to 75 on the slip road on to the motorway chasing a Aston or such like ? I'm fully aware of the law and as such never had any points ...... Where did I say I was speeding ? Anyway ...... lets stay on topic, drivability, performance, comparison of a supercharged zed......... suggest you pm GMballistic for a personal opinion Yep spoke to gm .... A very helpful chap . And yes other people's opinions on performance comparisons would be great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hensh65 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If giving some nice cars a fright is all you are wanting it for then I would suggest there is cheaper and more reliable ways (not to suggest the vortech isn't) to give them a scare. Straight line was never what the zed was about but if you have £7K to burn then do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 If giving some nice cars a fright is all you are wanting it for then I would suggest there is cheaper and more reliable ways (not to suggest the vortech isn't) to give them a scare. Straight line was never what the zed was about but if you have £7K to burn then do it More like 10k ! But yes there are cheaper ways to do it ...... Still , what cars would the zed with 400-50 bhp be comparable to ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Love my s/c Zed but I've no idea what it compares to as I don't really race, I know it goes pretty fast around the 'ring and will do 170ish on the autobahn but that's about it Edit: my build thread is about somewhere in the members build sub forum, have a look if you're interested in s/c and the problems I came across. Edited December 11, 2014 by mouthwash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yes I think people are getting the wrong end off the stick .... Maybe that was my fault Just wanting to know how it compares in speed , acceleration to other performance cars ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 What sort of mpg do you get out of it now mate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Really don't know the answer to that, maybe about 20 mpg... I think I made it around 350 miles on the way back from the 'ring before and after it was charged so I don't think it's changed much. If you hammer it about all over the shop then you can expect to be stopping at every petrol station you see but then that's the same for any Zed really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 Ok mate thanks for your help and input , appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The thing is, there needs to be quite a big difference in power/weight before theres a significant difference in performance, even just in a straight line. I regularly go out with 400+hp 200SX's and find theres very little difference in the way the cars perform despite them being considerably lighter and more powerful, by the same token Ive struggled to pull away from 182 Clios, and heaven forbid anyone mentions VXR's .......... Big power only makes a big difference at higher (i.e 100mph+) speed, and by that point aerodynamics, weight, gearing and all sorts are also in the mix, its not really something you can give a definitive answer to. I can say with a fair degree of certainty that youd hand the Aston its ass though and probably the BMW too, both are heavy with limited torque 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If you look at the various "performance calculators" that are online they will give you a rough idea of expected performance. They are by no means accurate though and really don't take into account driver reactions/skill, gear ratios, tyres, aerodynamics etc but do give you a relative idea of what the performance will be if you have X amount of power, driven by Y wheels and weigh in at Z. For example my car comes out like so; Power to Weight: 306 bhp/ton 0-60: 4.2 0-100: 9.0 60-100: 4.8 1/4 Mile ET: 12.20 1/4 Mile Terminal: 117 Dragstrip 1/4 Mile ET: 12.00 Dragstrip 1/4 Mile Terminal: 121 Now in the real world I don't think those figures would be achievable or correct for my Zed with it's gear ratios/final drive/tyres etc but it does go some way to give an idea of relative performance. Link to the "performance calculator" I used: http://www.torquesta...?pid=calculator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There is no definitive answer to this, there are too many variables involved, on paper you just need to compare cars with similar power and torque curves, and similar weight, that's it, and as already mentioned with higher powers cars its only really noticeable at higher speeds than are allowed on out roads, Its traction that is the defining factor at lower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjy88 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 What sort of mpg do you get out of it now mate ? I think Ian gets roughIy about 0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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