harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Hello, just recently bought a house and my garage has this parting wall. I'm looking to knock the wall down to open up the space. As you can see it has been added after the original construction. My question is, will it be safe to remove? I highly doubt it is supporting the garage itself. Some measurements of the wall and garage below; Garage interior wall Width -176cm Height -224cm Garage size Length 514cm Width 265cm Height 224cm Photos; Garage exterior wall Interior wall ( to be knocked down) Thank you. Edited November 23, 2015 by harryjackson Quote
Rich260 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Look's like it's running parallel with the garage roof joists so I doubt it will be a supporting structure. Is your garage single story with a flat roof? Edited November 23, 2015 by Rich260 Quote
veilside z Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Is the window and door inside the garage still in use or are they blocked over by the new blocks?. They are thermolite blocks usually used internally for warmth, also very lightweight. Possibly the garage wall was single skin and it has been added as a cavity also offering strength. Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 Look's like it's running parallel with the garage roof joists so I doubt it will be a supporting structure. Is your garage single story with a flat roof? Yes it's single story, flat roof fella. Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 Is the window and door inside the garage still in use or are they blocked over by the new blocks?. They are thermolite blocks usually used internally for warmth, also very lightweight. Possibly the garage wall was single skin and it has been added as a cavity also offering strength. Yes they're still in use no bricks blocking there access. I'm confused why you'd want to but a 25cm thick wall in and sacrifice space. Very unusual. Quote
Bodyboarder81 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 I want a partying wall , they sound fun ! Hahaha 1 Quote
Rich260 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 A "birds eye view" drawing of the garage with the position of the wall and the direction of the roof timbers would be helpful. But if you have no timbers sitting on the wall and it's just a flat roof above then I would suggest it's not load bearing. As Veilside says thermolite/celcon blocks are very light weight and would normally have a timber wall plate on top if they were supporting a structure such as rafters or joists. This is just my opinion though mate, always err on the side of caution when removing walls. Don't take what anyone says as fact unless their looking at it in person! 1 Quote
Ebized Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Am I reading this correctly? Looking at the brickwork on the return (outside wall) it appears to be the same as that to left the garage and the section with the door/window is an 'infill', noting the different colour bricks? Is the blockwork wall also visible on the garage side or is that brickwork as per the rest of the garage? If so, it makes me feel the blockwork wall (where that stored wood can be seen) was added to give insulation to the space and/or support for the new infill roof (where that stored wood can be seen). Which then begs the question as to what might happen to the infill/garage roof if the blockwork wall were removed. As others have said a bit more detail to help the understanding accepting my take on the issue may be wrong Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 Am I reading this correctly? Looking at the brickwork on the return (outside wall) it appears to be the same as that to left the garage and the section with the door/window is an 'infill', noting the different colour bricks? Is the blockwork wall also visible on the garage side or is that brickwork as per the rest of the garage? If so, it makes me feel the blockwork wall (where that stored wood can be seen) was added to give insulation to the space and/or support for the new infill roof (where that stored wood can be seen). Which then begs the question as to what might happen to the infill/garage roof if the blockwork wall were removed. As others have said a bit more detail to help the understanding accepting my take on the issue may be wrong From what I believe the brick is original the grey breeze blocks have been added after. All I need to know is if it's safe to knock down. I'm sure if it's been added after garage was done the garage must have stood perfectly fine before the new wall. I think I'm pretty confident it isn't supporting the roof. Quote
ioneabee Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 nowhere enough info on this to give an opinion - more photos and a sketch plan and we might be able to help a bit more Quote
Ebized Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Am I reading this correctly? Looking at the brickwork on the return (outside wall) it appears to be the same as that to left the garage and the section with the door/window is an 'infill', noting the different colour bricks? Is the blockwork wall also visible on the garage side or is that brickwork as per the rest of the garage? If so, it makes me feel the blockwork wall (where that stored wood can be seen) was added to give insulation to the space and/or support for the new infill roof (where that stored wood can be seen). Which then begs the question as to what might happen to the infill/garage roof if the blockwork wall were removed. As others have said a bit more detail to help the understanding accepting my take on the issue may be wrong From what I believe the brick is original the grey breeze blocks have been added after. All I need to know is if it's safe to knock down. I'm sure if it's been added after garage was done the garage must have stood perfectly fine before the new wall. I think I'm pretty confident it isn't supporting the roof. But it looks to me as though the garage was originally detached and the orange coloured bricks + definitely the blockwork wall, are later additions. But is the other side of the blockwork wall visible inside the garage or is it brickwork and that is the same as the bricks we can see to the side of what I presume is the garage door? Quote
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Are you sure its a party wall? a party wall is usually shared between two properties and cannot be touched without the other party's consent, hence the name, it usually is the main dividing/supporting wall between to properties. Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 The other side of the garage is brick work. The blocks look fresh but I don't understand why they'd need to put that wall in AFTER the original construction. Quote
ioneabee Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 there is no way anyone will (should) tell you what you can or can't do here mate - there just isn't enough info 1 Quote
Ebized Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 The other side of the garage is brick work. The blocks look fresh but I don't understand why they'd need to put that wall in AFTER the original construction. Having confirmed that ^^^, I now have little doubt the blockwork was added for insulation purposes and probably to support the linking roof, therefore it is likely to have structural implications. But based on the info to date, and really you are best advised to get a competent person along to inspect - at least by a respected builder or a surveyor Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah it's a good shout. I may even pop next door and ask them about there's. Such confusion 😖 I'm not one for structural walls. At all! Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 If anyone can PM and use retard terminology as I seem to have got myself confused 👎🻠thank you everyone for the very prompt responses. For sure I won't be taking a sledge hammer to it any time soon. 1 Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 good What else do I need for you to give me a definite answer mate? Quote
ioneabee Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 more photos (external and internal) and a sketch of the floor plan ... for now 1 Quote
harryjackson Posted November 23, 2015 Author Posted November 23, 2015 The photo with the door and window is the external wall on the front of the house. That wall will be changed to a garage door in due course. Quote
Ebized Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 If you pm me your postcode and house number I might be able to provide some more help about the house history 1 Quote
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