Sarnie

275/10??????????????

The 458's on PH are of course, speculators, hence the mark up over list. My point, which you keep missing, is that to upgrade to a 458 TODAY and NOT in 12 months etc, is at least £120k as there are no unsold 458's sitting on dealer forecorts at list price. Of course there is the odd cancellations of orders etc but these will be few and far between with dealers only recieving a few cars themselves, plus the chances for it to be in the exact spec you would want would pretty slim. Also, anyone passing on their order will still lump on a premium, as probably will the dealer, therefore the price is likely to be list plus at least £15k.....

But I'm not wrong about getting into a 458 TODAY, not in 2/3 years time, which is what i was talking about initially. I can't see masses of 458 owners jumping ship to the MP4 12C, maybe the odd few, for me the MP4 is not a patch on the styling of the 458. Even if performance is slightly better, most of these cars will never see a track or a drag strip so its all much of a muchness.....

No need to be so defensive Chris My point about delivery times is that whilst deliveries of new cars are so far away, this will keep residuals almost depreciation proof; for a while anyway, meaning the price to upgrade is not going to come down anytime soon. Anyway, as I said, I think the cost to upgrade is ridiculous, when you consider you could buy another 430 and have change left over......

Think you've got your figures a bit wrong mate. The most expensive 430 on PH, 2009 plate from a dealer with low miles is £109k, and most 458's are currently £220k. So unless you have a 2009 430 the upgrade price is going to be north of £120k at least. Forget about list price as Ferrari are quoting late 2012 for orders placed now which will guarantee low numbers and therefore making residuals rock solid for a few years. The 458 is an amazing car, but would I pay £120k PLUS a 430 for one? No.

Lovely car the 458, but the £120k+ needed to change from a 430 to 458 is ridiculous imo.....

Plenty of Gallardo's on fire, didn't put me off...................

I have two eBay stores and set up a few business'

With the mods it has, you'd expect it to be a members car...................

WTF indeed

**** me, I'm never driving again

What about your dust caps???????

Those Aluminium vent trims were utter dog @*!#! The metal wouldn't stay curved in line with the dash and the glue wasn't strong enough to hold down a gnat's pube, which mean't they kept pinging off leaving vile glue residue And they were about £50 a set back in 2005

Exactly! I looked at diesel motors when I had the Lambo, but I knew in my heart of hearts that I would never ever get in the sootchucker ahead of the G!! The saving is negligible, if at all in my opinion...............especially at only 84 miles a day, thats not that bad really.....

Exactly. This is why i struggle to see the benefit. The only benefit I can see is that, for example, someone who has a budget of say £300 a month could afford a £10k loan to purchase a car outright. But via a lease agreement they can pay £300 a month on the latest car etc but then after 2/3 years they have to give the car back meaning they have pretty much thrown 2/3 years worth of monthly payments down the drain..... I think I'd rather have a cheaper/older car and own it than basically pay the depreciation on the new car for someone else....

You finance the depreciation and pay interest on the depreciation figure

BHP/weight ratio is the key though...............

Yeah but a Saxo weighs as much as a tin of beans.....

13j

You'll need to drop a lot more weight than that to make up the 50-60 bhp difference from an E46 M3 to an MY03 Zed......

**** em