Digsy

Did you get a test drive? as some BMW dealers can be fussy on letting you have a test drive........They like to see if you can afford it first, though a nice sparkly zed outside should be a clue!!!!Been thinking about test driving a Z4m too. I was suited and booted and talking about p/x ing my zed so I'm pretty sure that they knew I could afford it. The problem was that the Z4M was brand new then and getting one as a demo was near impossible. They offered me the 3.0i and would only give it to me for a few hours And they offered my £19k for my zed Typical BMW they offer nothing on any car you p/x even BMW's . Bet yours would have been back on the forcourt for 25k My local dealer would rather gnaw his own arm off than put a Nissan on his forecourt.

Well, I'm delighted they're heat resistant because I just can't stop my plastic ones melting.......

Yeah, lots of urban myths about them but I honestly don't know of anyone who's actually had a problem......

I'm going to cheat and do three : Tiger for a lager Black Sheep for an ale Chimay Bleu for something a bit different

Damn! Have you been letting Tim in on your secret, lad?

I kept my last three cars for 2 years, 15 months and 18 months respectively so I know how you feel. I've now had the Zed for over 2 years which says a lot about the car. 18 months in I was getting a little restless and eyeing up the Z4 Coupe and a couple of others which is why I decided a nice zorst and some 19" wheels would keep up the interest level and get me to the 3 year mark. Seems to have worked for the moment. I did have a wobble (as I do each winter) when the snow came down and I asked myself why I had bought a car I can't use 365 days a year but that soon passes. TBH I would struggle to find another car for less than £30k which ticks all the boxes as an everyday motor with style, performance and individuality.

Strangely it reminds me of the Batmobile in the films....

That's just wrong on every level!

Which one? Greatest hits Have you read "the Dirt"?....so funny Ive read it, and got a signed copy of the new "red, white and crue" album Had it on in the car today (well the ipod) and its awesome!!! Not read it yet but it's on the list. Just love the late 80s stuff they did but its all on tape.....

Stranglers and Magazine! Cool - shot by both sides one of my old faves! I have ipod but with itrip not brilliant sound so also have cd's: Snoop Dogg - blue carpet treatment Jamie Fox - Unpredictable Kanye West - Late Registration and College Dropout Mary J Blige - the breakthrough and a mix of music from my earlier years - siouxsie and banshess, bauhaus, killing joke, sisters of mercy, B52's, echo and the bunnymen, Blondie Someone who has heard of Magazine. Shot by Both Sides never gets old for me. Made my day Nixy.......sad I know Hey, I remember Magazine! Weren't they made up of members of a couple of other punk/new wave bands? Buzzcocks split and reformed with Pete Shelley on lead vocals when Howard Devoto left to form Magazine. The keyboard player was with Visage and Ultravox briefly I think Digsy. Wasn't there also a guy called John McGeoch (or something like that) who went on to play with the Banshees and have a nervous breakdown? IIRC they then had to draft in Robert Smith from The Cure.

Stranglers and Magazine! Cool - shot by both sides one of my old faves! I have ipod but with itrip not brilliant sound so also have cd's: Snoop Dogg - blue carpet treatment Jamie Fox - Unpredictable Kanye West - Late Registration and College Dropout Mary J Blige - the breakthrough and a mix of music from my earlier years - siouxsie and banshess, bauhaus, killing joke, sisters of mercy, B52's, echo and the bunnymen, Blondie Someone who has heard of Magazine. Shot by Both Sides never gets old for me. Made my day Nixy.......sad I know Hey, I remember Magazine! Weren't they made up of members of a couple of other punk/new wave bands?

Limited slip differential. It's mechanical so there's no on/off switch.

Bit of a goth were you Nixy?

Which one?

The Killers - Sam's Town Divine Comedy - Victory for the Comic Muse The Kooks - Inside In/Inside Out Paul Oakenfold - A Lively Mind Muse - Black Holes & Revelations Snowpatrol - Eyes Open Just bought the Guillemots, Fratellis and the new Bloc Party so up for a change tonight.

Nixy I suggest you take no notice...mine only has the TCS system on ,the EDP thing is only a gimmick it will not stop you having an accident ask SimonD... mind you I drive with the TCS off all the time anyway so it wouldnt matter either way Nixy, ignore both of them . What you do here depends on your own assessment of your driving skills. I note you're coming from a FWD Civic but have no idea whether you've driven powerful RWD cars before. Skilled and experienced drivers like lomoto tend to think that they don't need the driver aids and may even argue that they get in their way when trying to correct a slide. Others, like myself, brought up on a diet of hot hatches and FWD, take the view that its there for a reason and like to have the added security. Generally, the Zed is a pretty predictable car but it does have the best part of 300 bhp through the rear wheels and when you're not concentrating 100%, like at the end of a hard day, can bite particularly if conditions are poor. The ESP is an aid which can help you but provides guarantees as it can't defy the laws of physics. I would say that unless you are very confident in your abilities I would seek out a car with the ESP. As you gain confidence you can always turn it off but it could save your bacon before you get to that point.

Nightmare!

Not if i beat you!!! No need for violence lads!

The weight's not so much of a problem if you have forged wheels though.......

Name and shame!

Hopefully someone better at drifting than Jas!

Bala, North Wales - at least a couple of hundred miles from London village.

I'm there on the 16/17th (I think ) so I'll try and get some good 'uns of the new car and that infamous bonnet!

Congratulations mate!

He may be back by then, nothing wrong at this stage getting as much as we can organised but do take your point Mark Yep, nice sentiment Mark. Lets hold fire until a bit nearer the time.