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Some cool pics.... What day did you go down? Had an interesting drive with a blue 350z on Sunday morning

http://www.350z-uk.c...goodwood-today/ http://www.350z-uk.c...-s-pics-part-i/ http://www.350z-uk.c...-s-pics-part-2/ http://www.350z-uk.c...-s-pics-part-3/ Thanks, you just did all the hard work Looks fantastic!!! Extreme though....

Its the design of the car.... new version of the old classics

Right, now I see where you're going. That's fair comment. HOWEVER (and you knew this was coming...!) Much like the 350Z, I could forgive the weight easily IF the quality of the interior justified it. IMHO, it doesn't. That's the exact same thing I've levelled at the Evora as well, so it's not just Nissan that have a monopoly on cheap interiors. Is the GTR interior acceptable? Yeah, it is, and at £60K it definitely was. Is the quality of the interior justifed by the extra weight it adds? I don't think so, but then there's other cars to level that at as well. Add to the fact that the price is now £80K and you're into a whole new argument. Honestly, I actually like the GTR interior, but yes, I bought a MY10 when they were still decent money. Now..... its a bit of a different story.... however, I recently test drove the R8 V10 and aside from the noise the GTR was better in even aspect! The interior of the GTR was more comfortable and open, the gear change in the GTR is fantastic compared to the R8, R8 was slow in comnparison, I could not use the R8 as a GT car (there is space for a small handbag and thats it).... Having said that, I cant bring myself to buy a new GTR either, for me there is no value. I did come from supras and imprezas, so any interior would be better, really! I have looked at 430s and Gallardos as well and absolutely hate the interior in the standard models, only the Scuds and the Leg versions are worth considering, but they are even more money that. Its the compromise that Nissan made and all those that have bought the GTR.

Without meaning to crap on your thread, the reason that I didnt buy them is the tyre tread depth.... I would immediately have to spend another heap of money on tyres, that and the missus scratched the crappy 17s, so I went for crappy 18s GLWTS

Anyone go? Saw the GTR 2020 concept.... shell only I assume:- And the IDx.... Im really really really liking this:-

Want a 1250kg R35 GTR..... buy this:- http://en.wikipedia....iki/Nissan_GT-R Or this:-

I never said it wouldnt be For me, the reason the GTR doesnt weigh less is cost. Mate, Ive driven 400hp in 500KG in the pissing rain at Spa, I didnt have any trouble. Ive also driven 700hp in 1100KGs on the road and it was still possible to put your foot down, the amounts of weight we are talking about have negligible effects on grip ........ apart from lateral grip of course. Phil Morrison claims the new Driftwork AE86 wont spin up in anything other than 1 st gear, thats 650hp and under 1000KG. Yeah, because they came straight out an admitted they cocked the 350 up and had to add 100's KG to stop it folding in on itself. Theres no two ways about it, the GTR is amazing but it would be more amazing in every single respect if it was 500KG lighter. ike the race car is, does that tell you anything? I remember LOLing at the ridiculous statement that the weight makes it faster at the time and I will continue to LOL at it until we achieve zero gravity here on earth The point of the GTR is that its NOT a race car.... its a car for every occassion, I dont want a GTR weighing in at 1200kgs, stripped, noisy, uncomfortable, etc. I have seen the test videos of that AE86 and I really dont believe that statement - its an awesome build though!!! However a purpose built space frame chassis cannot be compared to a road car. As a race car, yes, it would be better being lighter... but as a GT road car, I think they got it right

Depends on how you define good. I care little for laptimes these days and more about the driving experience, and in my own experiences I know just how better a car can be when you remove the weight. Would the 918 be any quicker? Well, maybe or maybe not (depends on whether they kept the 4WD), but would it arguably feel a lot more fun? Almost without doubt. Would the GT-R be quicker if it shed weight? Yes, absolutely it would. Physics are tricky things to beat. It would be quicker (more than likely), but at what point does light become too light? At some point the car is going to require so much aero weight in order to be able to put the power down. Depends on your definition of "better" Depends on how you define good. I care little for laptimes these days and more about the driving experience, and in my own experiences I know just how better a car can be when you remove the weight. Would the 918 be any quicker? Well, maybe or maybe not (depends on whether they kept the 4WD), but would it arguably feel a lot more fun? Almost without doubt. Would the GT-R be quicker if it shed weight? Yes, absolutely it would. Physics are tricky things to beat. Better in what way? If you are not interested in lap times, why do you care what it weighs? If fun is the measurement, then the GTR needs to lose its active 4WD system, not the weight. Have you driven a GTR? In more than just a test drive capacity? hahaaa, love that!!!! No I dont, but at some point (not sure what point that is) the GTR will just end up spinning all its wheels with too much power and too light holding it to the road. Which is where aero is required (hence why cars like the Caparo cant be driven slowly - not enough holding on the road). Nissan has stated that they believe they got that balance right with the GTR, they have also gone out and destroyed cars that are lighter and more powerful Good enough for me

some good builds on zclub

Q5) What about the transaxle - some competitors have seven or eight speeds, so why does the GT-R have only six? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5wIKGnC0k Q6) The R34 had the HICAS rear wheel steering system. Why didn't that make it onto the latest GT-R? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gil9Utvq2GM

Q3) In your previous answer, you seemed to be telling us the parameters of 1700kgs weight and 485hp were set from the beginning of the project, is that correct http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXtOYrL67Fo Q4) Why did you opt for a V6 engine, instead of an engine with more cylinders? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8rADuMcLM

One of the things that makes it heavy is the drivetrain and how it transfers power from the rear to the front. Porche 918 - would it be as good with out the batteries - NO! Would it have come close to the Nurburgring laptime it did?? No again...

Given say the 50k difference, I know you could easily match If not better the hp, do you think you could match the handling? I guess yes, but its then a tuned gtr you would unlikely get your money back on, I would imagine the Nismo will hold its value? Dont get me wrong, Its a huge sum of cash, but, if you wanted something equal to its performance from a road car, I dont think 125k would even get you close. Spot on.... Stage 4 is over 600 bhp - cost is roughly 3k Ohlins suspension or litchfields - 4k (fitted including vat) carbon brakes - 15k gearbox upgrades - 2k plus a load of other handling mods from litchfields - 5k and that would be a monster GTR Im heading that way, but doubt I will take it that far The Nismo edition is just that a special edition - limited numbers etc. Its just a shame they did go further with the brakes, they really should be carbon in order to compete with the porsches, lambos, etc and that new Z28

I would agree with the comment about the Nismo.... cant justify the cost. Especially when its so easy to mod a GTR to that sort of standard for a lot less. However, it is very very quick... fastest in class at Goodwood:-

Awesome car..... so want one!!! And I may have a ride in a replica one in 2 weeks time at a Nissan event Heres my favorite video:-

both look good, thanks

not too far at all

Thanks! Where abouts are you in West Sussex?

some what agree.... get the cheap car and some thing stupid for the weekends, cant give anything to the 2nd wife if you are bankrupt 2+2 rather than a 4 seater. Boot isn't exactly that big either. For a big car, space is at a premium. Still an absolute hoot though! Because the porsche boot is so large not to mention the parcel shelf behind the front seats In all honesty, I dont classify the GTR as having rear seats! I wouldnt drive more than 10/20 minutes with 4 people in the car. 3 people in means that the one in the back has their feet on the other section of the seat. have to agree

Really? 30mpg from a turbo charged 500bhp car......... I struggle to believe that! My GTR has averaged 22-23mpg, rather good considering what some others get. If doing 80-140 miles per day, I would go comfortable and easy to drive.... Audi S5 maybe.

Im in for the Nismo style one for a 2002 car

Unfortunately, thats what happens when the car can everything so well. Cruise to the shops, GT road trip of 4000 miles, track days on the way and bringing back over £300 worth of champagne Cayman GTS (think its that one) is supposed to be rather good. C63 AMG? Personally I didnt like it, but many do.

lovely looking, just wondering what the price will be, considering what the LFA is

And Im SOLD!!