Thanks for that. I think the focal tweeters may be to big to fit behind in the standard location, maybe Adrian can shed some light on that?? The rears are a problem as i dont really want to cut into the panel. I know if i do, it will be a good job and look but if the speakers fail at some point or i just don't like the sound, then i've got to find something suitable to replace them and make use of the holes. As you say coaxials in the back may be a better option, but i've always believed that components are better, and i'll have to try and sell my Focals. Anyone interested??