GC350z Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Personally I don't think this will happen with a figure of 120g. The day before this law comes into effect, if it does, go and buy a really mad car and sell it after the law takes effect. No tax - great profit. BTW, I've read that the new VQ35HR has far better emission over the rest of us. Anyone know the figures? Have a read. EU pollution plans to hit car prices and salesDonal Byrne New EU proposals to reduce pollution from cars could lead to huge increases in the price of four-wheel drive vehicles and cars with large engines by 2012. The proposals, from the EU's environment commissioner Stavros Dimas, were revealed in the wake of a major new initiative by the EU last week to stem global warming and reduce air pollution and they may well affect the price of smaller cars both here and across Europe. One estimate puts the number of cars currently being sold in Europe that are capable of meeting the new emission requirements at less than 5 per cent. Mr Stavros says he wants mandatory limits on the amount of carbon dioxide that an average car can produce capped at 120 grams per kilometre. At the moment, virtually every car sold in Ireland exceeds that limit and some cars produce up to and over three times the limit. The EU has aimed for this reduction for some time - since 1995 in fact - and had hoped it would be introduced in the next three years but it has been on the basis of voluntary reductions by car manufacturers. "This is one very good example of how self-regulation does not work. The industry has not responded as it has been asked to, and now the solution will be forced on it. It will be in the form of taxes on new car sales and there is not a lot the companies can do about it. The days when the EU was controlled by big car-producing countries are gone. The EU is a changed entity and the environment is perhaps the biggest challenge now facing it," said one EU official. The proposals are due to be debated within the EU in the coming months and the legislation introduced by the end of the year, but most commentators believe serious resistance will be overcome. "I would like to see someone try to seriously argue against these proposals because they are not just necessary but they are popular too. It is the car companies who will have to answer for their cars costing more," said the same official. The car industry is being given a get-out clause, however. The Commission intends to allow companies average out their emission levels on their model ranges. Thus Toyota, for example, would be in a position to argue for the retention of the Lexus 430 (the 430 has a 3-litre engine and produces 270g of carbon dioxide) because the rest of its cars produce much lower levels on an average calculation. However, it's likely the industry will still struggle to meet the limits. Many cars currently are well beyond the 120g limit. A Ford Mondeo 1.8-litre car with a Duratec petrol engine rates at 184g, according to the British government agency which monitors fuel consumption and exhaust emission figures. A Fiat Punto with a 1.2-litre petrol engine produces 136g, a 1.2-litre petrol Skoda Fabia produces 144g, while a 1.4-litre petrol VW Golf produces 166g. No figure has yet been put on the rate of tax that would be levied on cars like four-wheel-drives and sports cars, but with the current Range Rover Sport producing 374g per kilometre and a Porsche 911 producing 266, the penalty is likely to be severe. "It's not an anti-democratic move. Manufacturers can't simply go on offering people anything they want, to pollute as they want, and car buyers will just have to listen to common sense. I don't think it will be a cheap tax," said the EU official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Eco friend madness IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennydies Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 This is the one that anoys me: http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articles/2006/10/25/gas_guzzlers_feature.shtml PARKING chanrges to be raised for hign emission vehicles.... grrr, how is that fair. The cars are stationary and taking up the same room as any other car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev-the-Rev Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 It's just another example of this anti-car, let's tax the bo**ox of em government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennydies Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Yes, just pricing us off the road. Extra to park, extra to drive. Why dont they just call it a "nice car" tax. Be to a point where you go into a pub: "Do you have a nice car sir" "yes" "that will be £4.50 a pint then" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 seem to remember that fifth gear did a report comparing SUV's to some family 4 door cars and the 4 dr saloons came out worse in emissions and economy. Perthetic attack by the government and councils who just don't know what they are talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC350z Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 It's not necessaraly the big engines that would be afffected by this law if it came into effect. Mazda RX-8 (192ps) CO2 emissions 267g/km Mazda RX-8 (231ps) CO2 emissions 284g/km Of course I realise the RX-8 has a mad engine but the torque is so low I cant find it listed on mazda's site at all. Lotus 111R has 208g/km Toyota Avensis 2.0l Auto 221g/km Toyota Yaris 5 door. There's 4 engine type listed. Only one is under 120g/km. It's a 1.4 diesel and puts out 119g/km. Toyota claim the Prius will do 65.7mpg and puts out 104g/km. Nissan Micra 143g/km nissan.ie list the z as 273g/km Haven't found any other petrol engined cars apart from Prius thing that are under 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 seem to remember that fifth gear did a report comparing SUV's to some family 4 door cars and the 4 dr saloons came out worse in emissions and economy. Parthetic attack by the government and councils who just don't know what they are talking about yeah I remember that one - where they interviewed one of the councilors and he was going on about them being bad blah blah then the reporter said about it being better than the other car (mondeo type car) then the counciler said yea but its too big etc and the reporter said it was actually no bigger than the estate version. The councilor just ended up having to resort to points with no substance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 They are full of sh1t. They put in huge speed bumps and then wonder why people buy big 4x4s. They stop sports cars too. They bombed Iraq as Saddam was a dictator yet they are clearly dictating to us what kind of cars to buy! I just can't make up my mind if I'd rather walk or drive a crappy prius (it's not like public transport will show up!) :rant: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Dont you all think it is a bit weird they try to enforce 120g/km whilst there arent any cars on the market in which you can transport 4 people + driver which are capable of being under that limit? So basically every "family dad" with wife and 2 children is an evil polluter and should buy a smaller car? Oh, and nobody read that article about the average CO2 emissions of the "company cars" driven by the people in the EU who decide about this? I think they averaged emission rates of around 290 g / km Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennydies Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 What annoys me is that I was driving home yesterday from work. I was queing to get to the roundabout to turn left. There is a perfectly good lane on my left but has been desinated as a bus lane and was no traffic in it at all. A double decker bus went passed with 3 passengers on it. What is the CO2 emissions per passenger against a car with a few people on it. The lane should be a "2 or more persons" per vehicle lane. Also, speed humps increase pollution as a driver tends to speed up and brake at the humps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PZR Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 One guy proposes something and everyone goes mad, the germans will never let it happen anyway, it would destroy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Quads Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 The really stupid thing about this is that even if we cut our emissions in HALF which this law would not even do, this will only reduce the amount cars produce (currently around the 20% of all) so lets say 10% it might save at VERY VERY VERY best. Within 4 months what we would have saved over the next 3 years would have already been replaced thank to the China. I agree with should not ignore the problem but we should not go silly over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzz... Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 not even a diesel micra achieves 120g diesel zed anyone it could be called a "Zed-di" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kennydies Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6309281.stm Ah well, it got approved....Wonder how that can apply more charges against people that can afford a nice car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuey Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 these t*$$ers would have us all on mountain bikes if they could.............. then they would complain about persperation emissions..........!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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