kevlo Posted July 13, 2011 Posted July 13, 2011 Hi guys and girls, I really want to install a cctv system in my house with internal and external cameras. I would like these to be live i.e connected to the internet so that i can view them through my iphone (via an app- first one i have seen is called icatcher but i beleive there are a few). anybody have experience of this? thanks kev Quote
Zugara Posted July 13, 2011 Posted July 13, 2011 PM doogyrev, he has a friend, really nice guy, who does cctv stuff... Quote
AFTERSHOX Posted July 13, 2011 Posted July 13, 2011 kevlo - I've just installed a 4 CH system @ home - Internet enabled / remote view etc. all outdoor cams. PM me, and I'll give you a few pointers ! Mark Quote
leonk Posted July 13, 2011 Posted July 13, 2011 I bought the stuff for my house from Cricklewood Electronics . www.cctvcentre.co.uk 1TB, 16 channel, i phone. android, windows mobile & symbian s60 3rd and 5th, compatible with 12 cameras for £1,300 Excellent service and advice and they do smaller cheaper systems. Quote
AFTERSHOX Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 kevlo I've sent you a PM mate! Regarding that UTILITY - to figure out your CCD size / depth of field / viewing angle + other calculations (relating to whether fixed focal length / variable focal length is the right way to go); download the tool below, and have a play with it. http://www.onlinesecurityproducts.co.uk ... ase%29.zip This company is not bad on price either, helpful guys (...but their cams are a bit more expensive than the other place I suggested) Good Luck Mark Quote
jollyranchers Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 i have it , bought from ebay £140 for a 1tb drive cctv recorder with internet facility and phone app make sure the resolution is D1 spec 25 frames per second across all channels which is real time cheaper stuff drops the resolution to 12 or 7 fps and the quality isnt as good, cameras i bought seperatly Quote
kevlo Posted July 14, 2011 Author Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? Quote
andlid Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? yep, and if you got a router inside your lan you need to setup NAT to the DVR, remember that it'll be public facing... (so keep it as secure as you can, https and good secure password) Quote
kevlo Posted July 14, 2011 Author Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? yep, and if you got a router inside your lan you need to setup NAT to the DVR, remember that it'll be public facing... (so keep it as secure as you can, https and good secure password) lol, thanks for the reply but you just said alot of stuff i dont understand I have broadband through a router with wireless that is protected by WEP? Quote
Zugara Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? yep, and if you got a router inside your lan you need to setup NAT to the DVR, remember that it'll be public facing... (so keep it as secure as you can, https and good secure password) lol, thanks for the reply but you just said alot of stuff i dont understand I have broadband through a router with wireless that is protected by WEP? WEP....... WPA is the way to do it, ask Doogyrev, he will kick you in the nuts if you use WEP........ Quote
andlid Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? yep, and if you got a router inside your lan you need to setup NAT to the DVR, remember that it'll be public facing... (so keep it as secure as you can, https and good secure password) lol, thanks for the reply but you just said alot of stuff i dont understand I have broadband through a router with wireless that is protected by WEP? Well, is your DVR box going to wired or wireless? What make is it? I'll give it a bash to try and explain (not the best gifted doing that...) IF it's wired: LAN cable from DVR will plug into the broadbad router (if it has more then one switch port), once you start the DVR it will more then likely get a DHCP address handed out by the nice broadband router. (just like when you start your pc/laptop) that address will not be publicly accessable. Your router hands out 'black' IP's. The routers job is to take this address and NAT (translate it to a public address, look at it as a unique worldwide postcode). For you to access the DVR from outside your routers network you need to access the routers external address (postcode) once you hit this address the router won't know what to do with it unless you tell it you want to send any packets hit on a certain port to the 'black' IP on the inside, by default it'll drop this if there is no specific rule setup for it... not sure you're following this, not sure I am Get me the model of the router and I can check how to do it and write you a guide... in short you need to do some work on the router to be able to access the DVR from the outside (from a sunny beach somewhere ), set a static IP on the DVR or use the MAC address to reserve it in the DHCP server... etc. Sure PM me the model and we'll take it from there. Quote
andlid Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 omg, i love this forum. i have never posted a topic on here and got no response or crap response. Everytime the forums comes up trumps. thanks to everyone for taking the time to help with a non car related issue. I'm learning from pm's and replies already. Am i right in thinking that its the DVR that enabled web viewing rather than the cameras themselves? yep, and if you got a router inside your lan you need to setup NAT to the DVR, remember that it'll be public facing... (so keep it as secure as you can, https and good secure password) lol, thanks for the reply but you just said alot of stuff i dont understand I have broadband through a router with wireless that is protected by WEP? WEP....... WPA is the way to do it, ask Doogyrev, he will kick you in the nuts if you use WEP........ Actually WPA is hackable in theory so WPA2/Enterprise is the way to go ANY of these with a PSK (preshared key) are hackable. WPA/Enterprise is very hard to hack *Havent heard of any managing it... it changes it's key's in every packet so really hard to 'sniff'. Make sure if your DVR and cameras are WIFI that they support at least WPA, WEP shouldn't be used! *EVER Quote
kevlo Posted July 14, 2011 Author Posted July 14, 2011 cool, i imagine im going to go down the route of wired cameras to avoid these issues of hacking. ive pm'd you the model number Quote
andlid Posted July 14, 2011 Posted July 14, 2011 cool, i imagine im going to go down the route of wired cameras to avoid these issues of hacking. ive pm'd you the model number go to www.whatsmyip.org and pm me the number thats at the top after: Your IP Address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Good call on not using wireless, then again it might be turned on without you knowing that it is? Quote
DoogyRev Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 PM doogyrev, he has a friend, really nice guy, who does cctv stuff... PM'ed WEP....... WPA is the way to do it, ask Doogyrev, he will kick you in the nuts if you use WEP........ Too right Paul, nut kicking all the way with WEP users Actually WPA is hackable in theory so WPA2/Enterprise is the way to go ANY of these with a PSK (preshared key) are hackable. WPA/Enterprise is very hard to hack *Havent heard of any managing it... it changes it's key's in every packet so really hard to 'sniff'. Make sure if your DVR and cameras are WIFI that they support at least WPA, WEP shouldn't be used! *EVER WPA has been partially cracked but not fully, no one has managed to crack the encryption keys used to secure data between devices. There is nothing wrong with using WPA as long as you use a decent PSK with 12 or more alphanumeric/special character passphrase..................... or your a Bank. For home use its fine There is still quite a lot of kit out there which is still not WPA2 compatible. Using WPA2/AES (known as WPA2/Personal) preshared keys is as far as I am aware unhackable. WPA2/Enterprise is certificate based authentication that also uses WPA2/AES which you will only find in business' or environments with server backends......... utterly impossible to hack Quote
AFTERSHOX Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 make sure the resolution is D1 spec 25 frames per second across all channels which is real time cheaper stuff drops the resolution to 12 or 7 fps and the quality isnt as good, cameras i bought seperatly Hey jollyranchers What make is that DVR? I seriously doubt that a sub-£1500 RRP DVR can handle 4 x D1/25fps (That's Casino grade CCTV); many of the cheaper DVRs are made in Korea - and 'claim' to do full D1 @ 25fps across 4 channels (on a 4 CH); but in reality they don't. D1/6fps across 4 cameras would consume 6.1/4 Gigabytes of Data (per CAMERA per DAY); so at a constant bitrate (CBR) for D1 - 4 cameras would eat 500GB disk space in 20 days. D1 (...or 4CIF) is 704x576 resolution - hence the massive amounts of data required to support D1. If you lower the recording quality to CIF (352 x 288 pixels) or even 2CIF (704 x 288) @ PAL standards (625 lines) then maybe possible for 4 x cameras @ 25fps (real time); When you stream the CCTV feeds over the internet (..or remote view via iPhone / Android) - it usually transmits in a much lower resolution known as extra-stream (usually the QCIF quality (176 x 144 @ 6fps) - because at the higher quality / bitrate - you'd 'eat your mobile data tariff' in minutes; Let me know what make you have, and I'll check it out. Quote
jollyranchers Posted July 15, 2011 Posted July 15, 2011 make sure the resolution is D1 spec 25 frames per second across all channels which is real time cheaper stuff drops the resolution to 12 or 7 fps and the quality isnt as good, cameras i bought seperatly Hey jollyranchers What make is that DVR? I seriously doubt that a sub-£1500 RRP DVR can handle 4 x D1/25fps (That's Casino grade CCTV); many of the cheaper DVRs are made in Korea - and 'claim' to do full D1 @ 25fps across 4 channels (on a 4 CH); but in reality they don't. D1/6fps across 4 cameras would consume 6.1/4 Gigabytes of Data (per CAMERA per DAY); so at a constant bitrate (CBR) for D1 - 4 cameras would eat 500GB disk space in 20 days. D1 (...or 4CIF) is 704x576 resolution - hence the massive amounts of data required to support D1. If you lower the recording quality to CIF (352 x 288 pixels) or even 2CIF (704 x 288) @ PAL standards (625 lines) then maybe possible for 4 x cameras @ 25fps (real time); When you stream the CCTV feeds over the internet (..or remote view via iPhone / Android) - it usually transmits in a much lower resolution known as extra-stream (usually the QCIF quality (176 x 144 @ 6fps) - because at the higher quality / bitrate - you'd 'eat your mobile data tariff' in minutes; Let me know what make you have, and I'll check it out. Here is mine , good picture for the money quite happy with it , im sure you can buy better ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4CH-H-264-1-0TB-1 ... 588eae3eba Quote
AFTERSHOX Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [Here is mine , good picture for the money quite happy with it , im sure you can buy better ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4CH-H-264-1-0TB-1 ... 588eae3eba Wow - cracking bit of kit for the money jollyranchers ! Top specification 4CH DVR for an excellent price ! You can't go far wrong with this... nice find ! Quote
jollyranchers Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [Here is mine , good picture for the money quite happy with it , im sure you can buy better ! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4CH-H-264-1-0TB-1 ... 588eae3eba Wow - cracking bit of kit for the money jollyranchers ! Top specification 4CH DVR for an excellent price ! You can't go far wrong with this... nice find ! yep its a corker of a spec for the money , had a look at quite a few others too Quote
kevlo Posted July 17, 2011 Author Posted July 17, 2011 is the spec genuine? its not one of the cheap chinese jobbies that underperforms is it? Quote
jollyranchers Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 is the spec genuine? its not one of the cheap chinese jobbies that underperforms is it? who knows , but the quality looks pretty dam good to me Quote
rabbitstew Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Excellent. Ive been thinking of CCTV for a while, and just did a search on here to see if anyone else had fitted a system recently. Knew it would come up with something. Will read through the links etc. and do a bit more research. Been looking on the net over the last couple of days and omg theres about a million different systems varying from £200 incl cameras upwards! Argh!!! Quote
Celtic Val Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 FukuFuku deals with security systems, if he's not on this club he is on ChilliReds ( can't put the name as it comes up as * REMOVED* ? But do PM me Quote
andlid Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 FukuFuku deals with security systems, if he's not on this club he is on ChilliReds ( can't put the name as it comes up as * REMOVED* ? But do PM me maybe there is a reason for that? Quote
Ebized Posted February 3, 2012 Posted February 3, 2012 If you look here, 2/3 rds down the page, ds2000 had some useful advice about cctv and invited questions viewtopic.php?f=13&t=56496&hilit=cctv&start=15 Quote
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