TMPL Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hello! Firstly I do apologise if the contents of this are a frequent topic that could have been searched for, however it's a discussion I'd rather be involved in rather than read about I have an 06 Rev Up 350Z, bone stock, and only 56k miles. Like many of you, I have the desire to throw a lot of money at it in a wide array of areas but I anticipate in the following year - Performance - All the usual bolt-ons and forced induction, most like supercharged. Target around 400whp if reasonable on stock internals. Would consider a built engine, but seems like a bit of a waste considering I'm not after anything mental, just the bit extra I feel the car deserves. Probably not too concerned about 10 or 20 whp here or there if not possible. Are people running FI reliably on stock internals, or is it generally a nightmare waiting to happen? I've had a read around and seen very mixed opinions. Now, I'm basically half way out the door ready to go ahead with the Stage 3 upgrade offered by Abbey/TDi, but it's a fair bit of cash even though it's the cheap end of the plan, and i'm having to stop and wonder... For the amount I'm planning on spending, is it sensible to start off with the 06 Rev Up I already have, or would I be wiser putting this initial investment towards part ex-ing for an 07+ HR? It's not like I'm unhappy with my car, but I'm not so attached to it that I would senselessly throw money at it if it would be more economical long term to upgrade first. On the other hand, if my long term goals are achievable just as easily with what I already have and know, then I also can't see reason to start again with a new car and new problems etc. So what would you do first? Roughly £2k on full bolt ons and a tune, or put maybe another £2k on top of that and look for a HR? Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Firstly, My understanding is that it's cheaper and easier to mod the DE rather than the HR, but someone with more experience will surely come give you some more informed advice. The HR only has what, 13 more HP? but the DE has more torque. Edited December 11, 2016 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Muxlow Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Hi and welcome along buddy 🙂 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsniss350z Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hey welcome to the forum and congrats on your purchase of your Zed. The only advice i can offer and as much as you hate reading is to read through the FI section of the forum, you'll find a heck of a lot of information, and realistic prices of builds and also problems that can occur. Personally I'd go for a supercharger and your 400whp target would be close to the limit of standard internals. Read the FI section it might surprise you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why bother with the stage 3. Put the money into the supercharger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Better the car you know than the car you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Cheers guys! I am reading the FI forum quite extensively to get some idea of what is involved, but I thought my question of whether to plow on with the DE Rev Up, or upgrade to the HR first might have been a little more subjective. So far general consensus seems to be that by the time I've reached my target, I'll have done it cheaper with my current car and end up with BASICALLY something just as "good" as a "400whp ish" HR? No real value in doing this to a HR instead before I jump in? If there is value in doing it to a HR instead of the DE, I'm interested in doing it right and evaluating what that extra value is worth to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why bother with the stage 3. Put the money into the supercharger. Is it not all stuff I'll end up "needing" anyway by the time I'm finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbad Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hello and welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 What exactly is a 'stage 3' then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPod Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why bother with the stage 3. Put the money into the supercharger. Is it not all stuff I'll end up "needing" anyway by the time I'm finished? I wouldn't bother with a stage 3 as well just save up for the charger and supporting mods so its done in a oner. Personally would stick with de as you have it and will def get you over 400+ more than enough for road use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why bother with the stage 3. Put the money into the supercharger. Is it not all stuff I'll end up "needing" anyway by the time I'm finished? I wouldn't bother with a stage 3 as well just save up for the charger and supporting mods so its done in a oner. Personally would stick with de as you have it and will def get you over 400+ more than enough for road use That really is plenty for me. I guess one of the big concerns was whether or not the stock internals on a HR were a better suit for 400whp than the stock internals on the DE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 To clarify, I know 400+ has been done on stock internals on the DE, but what I tend to read is "400 is pushing it/the highest you can do safely". Is that OK? Would you rather have a bit more room for error? Or is this 400 limit taking in account a bit of room for error? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I can only speak for myself and in the case of turbocharged, but my DE went "pop" at 430fwhp. So maybe 370 at the wheels. Roll the dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I can only speak for myself and in the case of turbocharged, but my DE went "pop" at 430fwhp. So maybe 370 at the wheels. Roll the dice. Quite a torquey set up with the turbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I can only speak for myself and in the case of turbocharged, but my DE went "pop" at 430fwhp. So maybe 370 at the wheels. Roll the dice. Quite a torquey set up with the turbo? 360ib/ft so not mega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I can only speak for myself and in the case of turbocharged, but my DE went "pop" at 430fwhp. So maybe 370 at the wheels. Roll the dice. Quite a torquey set up with the turbo? 360ib/ft so not mega. Ah.... so 360 lb/ft could go bang. I'd better look at some supercharged dyno plots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Turbo is very different from SC in the drive. Most people prefer one or the other, so an SC may not suit your needs. Tbh if the car is stock then you really need to be doing the suspension, brakes, clutch & fly etc before thinking of going FI, else you're not even close to maximising the investment. And at that point, I'd be seriously considering if it's worth it as £10K+ is a lot to drop on a 350. You could get a seriously quick pre-turboed car for that + whatever you get for yours, if ultimately you feel you want more power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Turbo is very different from SC in the drive. Most people prefer one or the other, so an SC may not suit your needs. Tbh if the car is stock then you really need to be doing the suspension, brakes, clutch & fly etc before thinking of going FI, else you're not even close to maximising the investment. Of course I didn't consider these to have any worthwhile difference between starting with a DE or HR, so didn't mention them, but it goes without saying these are on the list too. And at that point, I'd be seriously considering if it's worth it as £10K+ is a lot to drop on a 350. You could get a seriously quick pre-turboed car for that + whatever you get for yours, if ultimately you feel you want more power. *sigh*....I know. It's pretty stupid. I love the 350z though, as sad as it sounds, it's been my dream car for over a decade now. I didn't even consider stepping up to the 370z (50/50 on that one, but I definitely prefer the look of the 350 right now). So yeah, I know it's stupid, but this is the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I didn't say it was stupid, I just said you might want to consider it as unless you've got the cash to burn, it's an awful lot of cash to burn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 What's the total budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I will have sunk 14k into my 350 (and that's with a 2nd hand turbo kit) and with the forged bottom end, 18k. So 14k and I've got a Z I can't drive :-) I'm not saying don't do it. As you'll love it when it's done. Just consider the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMPL Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I didn't say it was stupid, I just said you might want to consider it as unless you've got the cash to burn, it's an awful lot of cash to burn! I know, but let's be honest, it's stupid haha. What's the total budget? Open ended at the moment, I know these thing have a lot of unexpected additional costs. I got the car for £8k, if I could finish the project having spent around £20k in total, I'd consider it a pretty good car for that amount of money. If it's more, it's more, as long as I don't get to the point where I'm wondering why I didn't just save up for a GTR (the only car right now I'd consider moving on to, and no I can't afford it!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Big power Z are unattainable for most of us. I'm lucky in that TDI North informed me that Abbey MS had a kit sat on a shelf they pulled off another Z. The thing with the Z is there's nothing else that looks and sounds as nice and is as comfortable for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Why not keep saving and wait for one to come along that somone has done already There has been a few sold on here in the time I've been a member 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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