Juggalo

Not the same, and you know it. the EU Commission hold the power and makes the rules. You get no votes, no say. They're unaccountable, and unelectable. That's not really accurate though is it. The Commission is APPOINTED by the Council, in the exact same way our Lords are appointed by our Commons. They have a term (just like our Lords) after which they have to be re-appointed or ditched by whatever elected Council (or Commons) are in place at that time. It's a time-honoured and well-established shape for a democratic 2-house system, used the world over. How does that make what I said not accurate? You've just agreed that the decision making system is APPOINTED, not voted. That the system of decision making...the place where the real power is, is APPOINTED, not democratically elected. Because, it's not true to say you "no say", as you put it... it's a gross over-simplification. No democracy is perfect, its always a compromise... people have been trying to find the best compromise since the ancient Greeks. The EU democratic system is every bit as democratic (or un-democratic, depending on your viewpoint) as the UK system. How? You tell me how a Politburo style committe of decision makers, that you do not elect, you cannot dismiss, have no influence over, that meet in secret is the same as a Parliamentary democracy with elected representatives of the people, that all meet in one place, discuss the bills publically and openly and vote on whether an bill is a good one or a bad one, before they're allowed to make it law You tell me how the hell those two systems are the same Think you're confused... I'm likening our Lords to the EU Commission, and our Commons to the EU Council (in terms of electability at least, if thats a word). We do not elect our Lords, they are appointed, by those that we've elected, in the same way as EU Commissioners are appointed by the Councillors we've elected. Both sets of appointed houses (UK Lords and EU Commissioners) have a lifespan, after which they are re-appointed by the elected houses... it's really not that difficult to understand. As for "meeting in secret", not sure where that one comes from at all! Are you just referring to not being able to see them on Parliamentary Channel?!?!?! That's not the same by any measure. For it to be accurate, the House of Lords would have to be the House that makes all the laws and decisons. It's not, Parliament is. All the HoL does is read bills and rejects or amends them, they then get sent back to parliament to be revised/debated on. Both Houses are safety measures, and compliment each other. That's why so many countries around the world adopted the very same system. The EU commission, on the other hand, operates exactly like the USSR Politburo. Exactly. They're both unelected. They're both appointed. They both make laws and decisions as they see fit, and there is absolutely no recourse to oppose them, remove them, or elect them by the people. That is what you are voting for tomorrow, and I think 95% of the population, maybe more, don't realise that. They're voting blind.

No cant see that happening personally. What I can see however is Remaining winning by a slight margin and the EU taking this a sign to take the absolute **** because this will have legitimized alot of their plans; fast-track Turkey, EU army, fee hike maybe? push the Euro currency perhaps? Who knows! Time will tell I guess, I hope I'm wrong! Don't forget that Camerons nogotiations to reform the EU for the referendum gave away Britains right to veto treaties. We were already bent over a barrel. Now Cameron took our pants down. Cameron is the type of guy that pays £20k for a 2003 DE, then comes home and insists he got a good deal. Cocktard. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/670220/Cameron-gave-away-Britain-valuable-EU-bargaining-Iain-Duncan-Smith

You seem so laid back and...whatever about the whole thing. 1: I disagree with your point one. But it's been done to death so we'll leave it. 2: I disagree. The USA, Mexico, Peru, India don't need to be in the EU to trade, neither do we. 3: Disagree. The people of the country are opposse to TTIP. If we're in the EU, the EU won't give two shits what you think. If we're out, the governments position at the next election is on the line. 4: I disagree. We'll be sterring our own ship in the direction we want, not the way people in Europe who have no real stake in the UK want.

Not the same, and you know it. the EU Commission hold the power and makes the rules. You get no votes, no say. They're unaccountable, and unelectable. That's not really accurate though is it. The Commission is APPOINTED by the Council, in the exact same way our Lords are appointed by our Commons. They have a term (just like our Lords) after which they have to be re-appointed or ditched by whatever elected Council (or Commons) are in place at that time. It's a time-honoured and well-established shape for a democratic 2-house system, used the world over. How does that make what I said not accurate? You've just agreed that the decision making system is APPOINTED, not voted. That the system of decision making...the place where the real power is, is APPOINTED, not democratically elected. Because, it's not true to say you "no say", as you put it... it's a gross over-simplification. No democracy is perfect, its always a compromise... people have been trying to find the best compromise since the ancient Greeks. The EU democratic system is every bit as democratic (or un-democratic, depending on your viewpoint) as the UK system. How? You tell me how a Politburo style committe of decision makers, that you do not elect, you cannot dismiss, have no influence over, that meet in secret is the same as a Parliamentary democracy with elected representatives of the people, that all meet in one place, discuss the bills publically and openly and vote on whether an bill is a good one or a bad one, before they're allowed to make it law You tell me how the hell those two systems are the same

Man, you're so apathetic. With that attitude then yeah, we'll get the government and policies we deserve.

Not the same, and you know it. the EU Commission hold the power and makes the rules. You get no votes, no say. They're unaccountable, and unelectable. That's not really accurate though is it. The Commission is APPOINTED by the Council, in the exact same way our Lords are appointed by our Commons. They have a term (just like our Lords) after which they have to be re-appointed or ditched by whatever elected Council (or Commons) are in place at that time. It's a time-honoured and well-established shape for a democratic 2-house system, used the world over. How does that make what I said not accurate? You've just agreed that the decision making system is APPOINTED, not voted. That the system of decision making...the place where the real power is, is APPOINTED, not democratically elected.

Not the same, and you know it. the EU Commission hold the power and makes the rules. You get no votes, no say. They're unaccountable, and unelectable. That's a non answer. The EU commission is not a web forum with no power overyour life and your Nation. We have no trade deals with the USA. We're not allowed. We're not allowed to create trade deals with anyone unless the EU says so. We're locked out of free trade agreements with the world. What the EU want to give is is TTIP, which is another EU imposed nightmare for the UK.

It's really simple. If you want an accountable, democraticly elected government that you can remove for doing a bad job, vote Out. If you want a country that can creat trade deals with all 200 countries on the planet, from Andorra to Zanzibar, Vote Out. If you want unnaccountable, unelected officials making rules up for you, that you can't remove, vote In. If you want zero freedom to make trade deals, and bank your economic prosperity with just 28 countries, Vote In That's essentially what this vote boils down to when you leave migration out of it.

The roof is nowhere near the boot lid. You mean the storage area lid? Got a pic?

Don't, just..don't. What little credibility you had is flushed with that statement. The EU was established in 1985 and 1986 on the signing of Schengen and the SEA. What came before it was acceptable. What came after it, was most definitely not. Nobody in the this country consented to those two land mark agreements. The EU.

That simple eh? You should definitely tell your MP, because they clealry haven't got a clue that 280,000 migrants per year can be taxed several billions per year to build new hospitals, equipment, staff, schools, equipment, staff, surgeries, equipment staff and pay them benefits too. And with our infinite supply of jobs, we can just keep doing this forever!

Even if immigration doubled next year (which it wont), you are looking at it going from 0.5% to 1% of total population - I find it quite bizarre that this is seen as such a huge issue, that we are willing to risk economic impacts which if they happen will take money from your pockets for the sake of a relatively small group of people coming into the country each year, many of which are well qualified and paying into the system. You know very well why it's an issue, or you're playing dumb. It's been spelt out over and over and over again why mass migration is an issue, not just by people opposed to immigration, but by people pro-immigration, but who see the need for control. Even by experts on migration that have no dog in the race. The reason why you won't admit that it's an issue is because you know full well it can't be solved if we stay in an organisation that allows mass migration. When leaving that organisation means that we can, if we wish, stop it. So you sit there and play it down as hard as you can, because you can't win the argument. How many EU migrants came here last year, 280,000? So the equivelant of Newcastle Upon Tyne moving into the country each year. That's not tiny, not to the schools, hospitals, doctors and welfare system and certainly not to the British people that get told they can have an appointment in 3 weeks, lose school places to foreigners, find their communities transformed overnight, or can't find work because of the influx of competition. It's a massive deal, huge.

Note to self...start dating Indians! Congratulations

Not a good start, the Union Flag is upside down. not necessarily, depends which side the flagpole is, if it's on the right then all is OK, if it's on the left then you are correct Flags are always shown left to right, not right to left. It's international standard.

Not a good start, the Union Flag is upside down.

My work organised a treasure hunt in Chester using historic markers as clues. I thought it sounded lame as hell at the time, but it was actually really good. Definitely allowed me to get to know people I didn't really know too well, develop relationships and friends. And because we were split off into teams, it promoted team work above all else. Karting is cool, but you're alone, in a car, competing against your work mates.

When all else fails throw down the race card eh. I think you'll find that old chestnut has run out of steam with the British.

No they could have, but the Swiss federation (Pro-EU at the time) advised the Swiss to vote against the EU in a referendum as they believed the country wasn't ready. Years later (today) the Swiss have completely pulled their application. Let's be honest, if the most corrupt, and second most corrupt, countries in Europe could join, Bulgaria and Romania, then the Swiss would have no real issues.

Nice spin, but false. The Swiss annulled it. The Swiss weren't upset at the EU at all.

Swiss Withdraw EU Application: Only ‘Lunatics’ Would Join Now Switzerland has formally withdrawn her long-standing application to join the European Union (EU), as only “a few lunatics†now want to be involved with the bloc. The verdict comes just one week before Britons go to the polls to decide on whether to retain their membership of the political union. Twenty-seven members of the Council of States, Switzerland’s upper house, voted in favour of cancelling the application, against 13 who opposed the motion. Two abstained, the Neue Zürcher Zeitung has reported. The vote ratifies an earlier vote held by Parliamentarians in the lower house in March, which saw the motion to withdraw the application agreed to with an overwhelming majority of 126 in favour, 46 against. In response to the federal vote, Switzerland’s foreign minister Didier Burkhalter confirmed that his country will now give formal notice to the EU to consider the Swiss application officially withdrawn. Switzerland’s application to join the European Economic Area, the precursor to the EU, was lodged in 1992, but a referendum held the same year on the matter saw the Swiss people narrowly turned down the prospect of closer ties to the bloc, putting the application on ice. It has never been seriously revived in the intervening 24 years, prompting Mr. Burkhalter to previously comment that the application has long been considered invalid. Nonetheless, Thomas Minder, an independent representative said he was keen to “close the topic fast and painlessly,†adding that only “a few lunatics†still wished to join the EU. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/switzerland-withdraws-application-join-eu-lunatics-join-now/ Iceland and Switzerland have their heads screwed on.

"It is no accident that the European Parliament, for example, reminds me of the Supreme Soviet. It looks like the Supreme Soviet because it was designed like it. Similarly, when you look at the European Commission it looks like the Politburo. I mean it does so exactly, except for the fact that the Commission now has 25 members and the Politburo usually had 13 or 15 members. Apart from that they are exactly the same, unaccountable to anyone, not directly elected by anyone at all. "When you look into all this bizarre activity of the European Union with its 80,000 pages of regulations it looks like Gosplan... an organisation which was planning everything in the economy, to the last nut and bolt,five years in advance. Exactly the same thing is happening in the EU. When you look at the type of EU corruption, it is exactly the Soviet type of corruption, going from top to bottom rather than going from bottom to top. "If you go through all the structures and features of this emerging European monster you will notice that it more and more resembles the Soviet Union. Of course, it is a milder version.... It has no KGB – not yet – but I am very carefully watching such structures as Europol for example. That really worries me a lot because this organisation will probably have powers bigger than those of the KGB.... Can you imagine a KGB with diplomatic immunity? "They will have to police us on 32 kinds of crimes – two of which are particularly worrying, one is called racism, another is called xenophobia. ... Someone from the British government told us that those who object to uncontrolled immigration from the Third World will be regarded as racist and those who oppose further European integration will be regarded as xenophobes.... "The Soviet Union used to be a state run by ideology. Today’s ideology of the European Union is social-democratic, statist, and a big part of it is also political correctness. I watch very carefully how political correctness spreads and becomes an oppressive ideology.... Look at this persecution of people like the Swedish pastor who was persecuted for several months because he said that the Bible does not approve homosexuality. France passed the same law of hate speech concerning gays. Britain is passing hate speech laws concerning race relations and now religious speech.... What you observe, taken into perspective, is a systematic introduction of ideology which could later be enforced with oppressive measures. Apparently that is the whole purpose of Europol.... "It looks like we are living in a period of rapid, systematic and very consistent dismantlement of democracy. Look at this Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill. It makes ministers into legislators who can introduce new laws without bothering to tell Parliament or anyone. ... This can make a dictatorship out of your country in no time. Vladimir Bukovsky Last chance to get off the short bus to dictatorville.

We buy more from the EU than we sell to them, its in their interest to maintain the status quo. https://www.uktradei.../Pages/OTS.aspx Our top export market isnt even in the EU, its America who we dont even have a trade deal with: http://www.telegraph...-the-eu-debate/ Although we buy more than we export to the EU, we are a much smaller as a percent. So from memory something like 45% of our exports go to the EU (around 15% to the US) but I have read it somewhere but its something like 15% of the EU export market is to the UK - we rely on them more than they rely on us. In 2000, 60% of exports went to other EU countries, but the percentage fell to 58% in 2005, 54% in 2010 and 47% in 2015. Taking goods and services together, the share of exports going to the EU has fallen from 54% in 2000 to 44% in 2015. The widening in the goods deficit was partly offset by a increase of £0.4bn in the UK’s surplus in services to £21.4bn Europe is becoming less important to the UK as we trade more with the rest of the World. It makes sense to leave so we can develop our own trade deals. This claim by Remain campaigners that our economy will suffer if we leave is bluster. The economy is already suffering ebcause we're in the EU. Remain Argument: Being on the Titanic and shouting at people "Don't jump, or you'll drown!"

Not true. Immigration through the 70's was appx 70k per year. Now it's five times that. Yes it is.

Just had this from CityIndex: ====== Ahead of an expected increase in market volatility around the UK’s EU referendum on the 23rd of June, 2016 we’re writing to let you know about changes that will affect your account. Changes to our margins Our margin requirements will change temporarily to reflect the increased market uncertainty around the referendum. From the 19th June, 2016 these changes will include: GBP related currency pairs and UK Indices will move to 3% base margin as a minimum EUR related currency pairs and European and US Indices will move to 1% base rate margin as a minimum UK 100 Equities will move to 8% base rate margin. ======= If Britain leaves EU is going to be a disaster on the stock exchange, FTSE companies will have serious value wiped off the market, GBP vs any currency will simply dive, I'm predicting 1GBP = 1 USD... Lots of prices will go up for anything imported. Sorry, but we won't sell our country out to protect your investments over the short to medium term. Democracy, Culture and self determination & Sovereignty trumps your portfolio every time. That's why the leave campaign is losing. You're all harping on about your money. I'm happy to pay more, as long as Britain regains it's independance. Britain will adapt, it always has, and always will.