wmr1980

Another spot in south Wales. They're everywhere!

Very orange HR parked up on the sea front in Penarth.

Last night around 7ish I passed a roadster with their top down. I pulled up next to them for a little wave but they didn't seem to notice so I gave a little blast to go past but no response either. :'( Anyway if you're here, hi!

Installed and very happy:

True, he smokes and drinks too much for a start.

I look forward to seeing what happens with TG and will give it a fair go when it is relaunched (if it is relaunched), I'll probably enjoy it, I still find Fifth Gear okay, but a little cringey and not an entertainment show as TG is, more a factual show. However, I also look forward to seeing what JC et al. get up to

Yeah true. He stayed behind to have a drink and missed dinner. This is why I don't drink I don't like missing food! That said if the producer realised they'd be late he could have got hold of the hotel to arrange something? But it isn't really reasonable to expect staff to stay later for just one person. We don't know if the producer told Clarkson that there would be no hot food available if he stayed out. It's all just a stupid trivial thing that flared up to something non trivial (assault). I'm not defending JC by the way. I just think it is a ludicrous thing to have occurred over something so stupid. It is just a shame it came to this.

Agreed. It just goes to show that depending on what article you read you get a different skew. In other words you can't trust everything you read as it will be coloured even if subtly with opinions.

Quite a stinging article about the whole fiasco here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/top-gear/11494207/The-dogmatic-liberal-elite-have-finally-kicked-out-Jeremy-Clarkson.-I-hope-theyre-happy.html It echoes what has just been said about him not being actually sacked. Seems like the BBC are a little all over the place on this.

Well then it is poor planning from the producer and he deserved a smack (I'm kidding I'm not going to reignite the debate! )

They were technically working off site I would have said, staying in a hotel paid for by the BBC - that pretty much classifies it as being on a work event. If it wasnt a work event at all then it makes it even worse, that Clarkson was holding the producer to ransom for hot food when in fact they were 'outside of work' - if that was the case why is it the producers fault, surely Clarkson is liable to feed himself? No indeed that was my question - and I agree it makes it worse if it were out of work. I guess JC has got used to having people be at his beck and call. The producer undoubtedly had a long day himself and just let it slip. It's not as if London is a hard place to get food though - I'm surprised it all escalated so quickly. It goes back to the comments made by some speculators that there is/was a history between them and this was the straw that broke JC's career at the BBC.

Oh and this is probably what happened:

Not that it makes a difference to his behaviour - but what difference does it make that they were "outside" work? I guess they were still in a work environment or doing work related stuff, which is probably why the police were not involved sooner?

That's a completely fair comment. Always good to see another perspective

No offence fella. I've read other posts of yours and seem like a nice bloke but you're falling into the same trap as the million odd people who signed the reinstatement petition before knowing what happened. Whether we like or loath him, we just have to accept the facts and not deflect the blame on to the producer. JC got drunk, got annoyed and assaulted a colleague. It was his fault. You can't behave that way. Full stop. No offence taken - I probably didn't make myself clear - it's been a long day. Bear with me! What I meant was - I think this had been brewing for a long time, and there was a clear disagreement and professional divide between JC and the mangers for a while. What I question is the thought of leaving it as is without the BBC being a little bit more careful with how they managed it. They know that there were tensions there and they let things escalate - which I think is poor management. I'm not taking any responsibility away from JC - he's a fully grown man and has to take responsibility for his actions - too right - but I can't help but feel there's a bit more to it that just 1 night and 1 event. This had to be a prolonged period of dissatisfaction. I completely agree about signing the petition - I didn't sign it, and won't sign it as I don't think it's the right way to go about things in this instance. A split lip could require stitches depending on how bad it was so A&E could be appropriate. I read something earlier saying that it was a physical assault followed by a 30 minute abusive torrent from Clarkson then another media site claiming it was all over within 30 seconds or so. We just don't know as all we know is the BS/partial truth we get fed from the media. Bloody girly/men these days I don't know... (I kid - I'm an ex-rugby player and so something like a split lip is pretty much standard). I'm impressed JC could hit that hard! Just think guys.... if only he had been given food - none of this would have happened!!!!!

Well I thought if he had been assaulted he'd have gone to the police or the police would have wanted to investigate assault since it was done in a public place? The producer just seems to be that sort of person, he didn't get on with JC either - and going to A&E for a split lip seems a little OTT? So as you say there's probably more to the story than we know. The couple of scraps I've had the police came to investigate/take a report, but we just said it was a misunderstanding and no charges were wanting to be filed and that was that.

I'm surprised they weren't involved earlier!

What do you guys make of this interview? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWmR9Jl67bI

It was the right course of action - you can't hit people inside or outside of work and not expect repercussions. That said, I've had a few scraps in my life and neither of us took it to the authorities (certainly not for just a split lip like the producer received!), we just let it blow over, shook hands and went our different ways. The BBC has a bad image at the moment with their protection of paedophiles and excessively paid executives etc... so it needs to be whiter than white and be seen to do the right thing (and actually DO the right thing) - which they are doing. There's still so much speculation around what exactly happened that it's hard to be sure what exactly happened. However, if it is a simple case of abusive behaviour and a punch then yeah, frankly there's not much the BBC could have done. I still wonder whether or not the producer is incompetent and just had a massive personality clash with JC and that it was handled really badly? I wonder whether the BBC should have stepped in earlier or been more proactive? I guess since JC writes most of the material they sort of left him to get on with it and never realised there was anything going on.

Super quick delivery of my 380RS pedal, great service - proactively found that I was after one and offered a great price! Very happy, and will be giving Torqen a copy of my credit card as I fear I will end up giving him all my money!

Looks very similar to what happened to me at Bedford - despite having done quite a bit of drifting in the past (in my MX5) hit the white and red which were wet and just didn't correct quick enough or well and got on the power too hard too early. I posted the vid a while back. I only did a 180 but Brillo and Will370z enjoyed the view as they were behind me!

Excellent service. Not that I'd expect any less Thanks Adrian.

I do need to keep an eye on the track days, even if I don't take part (which I LOVED last time, I think Will enjoyed his spin in my car, don't know if I took you out too Brillo?), I'd love to see how you guys are getting on.

Just sent you payment

Cool! Look forward to seeing you at another track day! Just a quick question - I thought harnesses were supposed to be mounted higher: Any vids of the crash?