coldel

Just for reference I just tried 10 different pages on Firefox and worked fine here.

I guess it wasn't clear if the original post that you had revised the price as there is no history of edits visible.

...and fair play for taking it on the chin - I would have been screaming bloody murder at every inanimate object within reach

There is a difference though between a u turn and an adjustment of policy. Quite frankly how the Tories thought they could throw dementia tax and heating allowance reduction into the manifesto when so many voters are older people on their turf is just astonishing. I get if they launched an initiative and something didn't quite work and they change the tactics to make it work, thats fine. But sticking a tonne of tax on the self employed, then removing it days later smacks of incompetence/lack of understanding/planning, and then given they pulled it, where is all the money shortfall now going to come from? U-turns in politics or business is bad, tactical re-alignment or whatever you want to phrase it is something else.

Yes I agree, we cannot have Boris as PM right now - just not the right position at all for him.

I do remember the BMW 24hrs race and JC definitely was going quicker than Hammond (who binned it)

What you need to be looking at are the levelised costs for energy production - every government produces reports on it based on case studies etc. which tell you the cost of production of energy per mwh much more accurate than the random links above it would seem. Obviously it varies by country because different countries can produce energy in different ways more efficiently. In the US for instance natural resource burning is much cheaper to produce energy per mwh over the lifetime of the equipment than say off shore wind farms. Thats not true in the UK though being a smaller island state with plenty of wind energy available. Actually H Class gas turbines are one of the cheapest most efficient ways of producing energy in the UK.

I would say JC is a better driver than Hammond - although to be fair the other crash was hardly his fault with a drag car tyre failing on him

Loved this as a kid, great fun watching the mix of corn and action RIP

Very good

Erm well, it would be a close run thing between you and that guy that dressed as a fish finger in Kemble...but hey I'm in.

Source: http://www.bbc.com/n...n-2017-40219338 Aye not a bad summary, the Jonathan Pie video is a good one also "like where are all those new labour detractors that slated Corbyn when in fact it appears old labour is the opposition the country actually wanted, if they got behind their leader they would be in government now" there were plenty of F words in the mix also lol Labour lost but not by as much as they were told they would. Lib Dems misunderstood what people meant when they said this would be a brexit election (that its not about reversing it) SNP didnt listen to the 40% that voted leave the EU in Scotland UKIP have absolutely no reason to be involved in politics any more with £180k worth of deposits down the drain

That post wasn't directed at you at all J in terms of being 'ardent'. And I have said on other posts that I wouldn't oppose a re-vote on EU, we are on the way and thats the end of it, no gripe at all. What I do oppose is a hard brexit that makes a complete and utter mess of our economy for decades to come - May is going in too hard and too aggressive which is going to be met with not an equal but a greater reaction from the EU. And yes, I do not like TM, she is a poor leader, a poor PM and quite frankly completely the wrong person by some stretch to take us down this path. Its only my opinion, just like yours.

Surely even the most ardent Tory can see why this happened. The invisible plan where we will get the best deal because we are strong and stable was meant to be delivered by someone who has very quickly developed a reputation for not sticking to her decisions. Now that strong and stable government is in coalition where the plan could well be challenged, and who is she to stand up to a challenge.

Lets hope her plan isn't as fantastic as her plan for gaining more power in parliament... No you don't shout out the details - but all we have had so far is 'it will be the best deal for the UK' - you can release more than that without compromising your position. In any case whatever plan they had is now in ruins with the DUP stepping in and soft brexit a possibility.

Simple. TM has indicated a hard brexit with no concessions but has no plan of any detail to back it up yet in terms of what an alternative looks like. One line. done.

I think many people realised that voting the Tories in would be the sensible thing to do but many people just couldn't face doing that I presume as their version of brexit is just too extreme and they had to make some sort of stand against it. I do think the DUP will soften brexit (and you could argue a few Tory backbenchers will now put pressure on May to do the same) but as you say the DUP also have some lets say very extreme views on things...

TM is also unelected, if you read the letter from the EU congratulating TM is specifically uses the word 'reappointed' - TM is still an unelected PM hence the coalition agreement.

I honestly think May will be gone within a year - with brexit about to start I can see why it would make sense not to resign and leave us completely in lurch but surely after all thats come before she is not credible any more. Soon as talks underway I wonder if at the right point she is quickly and efficiently replaced...

I downloaded the manifesto on my work laptop but now at home without it and now cannot get back on their site - hence the rather vague list above http://www.mydup.com/publications What isn't lost on me is the rather ironic series of events that just a couple of weeks ago had the Tories mudslinging at Corbyn for having associated himself with rather unsavory people in Northern Ireland and now they are relying on Unionists to keep them in government

Some of the quotes coming from the DUP around 'we are in a strong negotiating position' are worrying given they clash with the Tories on quite a lot of stuff: 1. border control in brexit 2. triple lock pensions 3. certain benefits Be interesting to see how much negotiating it takes to get these two together and what impact it has on the brexit plan.

If you fancy a rather satirical view of the result you tube Jonathan Pie Can't post it here for profanity reasons but it is hilarious but also quite true

To be fair if you read what actually happened on the nuclear issue he said he still stands by his views but the party went against those views so he withdrew his view and allowed the party view to come through in the manifesto. So no, he doesn't now support nuclear weapons. I agree he promised the world somewhat without thought for how he would actually do it - but it was smart, he knew he was never going to win but he could see the longer game of getting support on promises he wouldnt have to fulfil, more seats in the house, sets them up against what is now a coalition government - he's in a strong position to win the next election.

We assume the Tories are ready to go on EU discussions, but unless someone can pop the evidence on the table and show us I will leave it as just that, an assumption. As for the plan itself, they should have started on it 12 months ago instead dithered for 6 months and then called a ridiculous election of which the reason for it has failed spectacularly. We are now in a worse position of negotiation than we were a few months ago with a coalition influencing the hard Brexit May had planned, we have no idea what assurances the DUP were given for instance they are against hard border controls and so on. Clearly Labour would have been starting from scratch from a party point of view but they would still have had access to the same civil servants that the Tories have now working on the plan. That doesn't mean they would be off and running, but its not sensible to think they would be starting from zero.

...and UKIP losing tens of thousands of pounds in lost deposits - ouch.